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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,276 posts)
115. I have a dream.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016
I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream today....
Oh, wait. Never mind. That's not gonna happen. How about some reasonable incremental change instead? Maybe they'll give us nicer, cleaner separate drinking fountains, and some better upholstery on the seats at the back of the bus. We can dream about that, OK?
What horseshit. He clearly states how these things would be done. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2016 #1
Really? kennetha Feb 2016 #4
If all you're doing is copy/pasting from the American Prospect, at least link to it. Jeez. arcane1 Feb 2016 #14
And Matthews got his info from Kenneth Thorpe. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #17
"Name That Clinton Hack Trying to Discredit Sanders" kath Feb 2016 #125
Paul Starr wrote that and he worked for the Clinton administration. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #42
As pointed out above--way to not cite your source Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #87
amazing. dismantle dreams without losing the people who dream them? WHAT? roguevalley Feb 2016 #11
Well, step 1 would be to learn to spell his name right. jeff47 Feb 2016 #2
LMAO! Well played, sir! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #7
:hattip: (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #9
Clinton has been raising tons kennetha Feb 2016 #13
" knowing that every penny could be spent on the Clinton campaign" arcane1 Feb 2016 #18
He will be, now that his Army is running for Congress Fawke Em Feb 2016 #21
The army Andy823 Feb 2016 #123
Nope! The money she raised doesn't go to other candidates. jeff47 Feb 2016 #39
Hillary needs to retire from politics and do snow angels in her pile of corporate cash. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #3
I am so glad you are back MuseRider Feb 2016 #79
TY :) AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #109
Agree! kath Feb 2016 #127
This tired, copied, unoriginal drivel isn't any more coherent the 1,000th time as the 1st. arcane1 Feb 2016 #5
LoL. You are blatantly using right wing frames and memes now. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #6
*Mutter. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #50
"fuhrer" is leader rogerashton Feb 2016 #111
Not fantasies ... earthside Feb 2016 #8
"No, We Can't!" is an awesome, inspiring campaign slogan. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #10
But it's snappier than "Clinton: The Candidate of Disappointing Truths!" TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #12
Bernie needs to call out Clinton making bogus claims cali Feb 2016 #15
Fantasy Huh? hoosierlib Feb 2016 #16
well they are if Hillary gets the nomination that's exactly what she's saying azurnoir Feb 2016 #61
Repeating Republican talking points from the 1980s QC Feb 2016 #19
I sure would hate MuseRider Feb 2016 #20
Hillary's own words about an actual Single-payer system: arcane1 Feb 2016 #22
But she was wrong. kennetha Feb 2016 #36
Nobody is wishing, we just aren't giving up. That's what they want us to do! arcane1 Feb 2016 #47
Fighting to extend ACA kennetha Feb 2016 #51
"Universal health care" is not the same thing as "universal insurance" and you know it. arcane1 Feb 2016 #57
huh? kennetha Feb 2016 #60
Bullshit. If you can't tell the difference between health insurance and health care, it's hopeless arcane1 Feb 2016 #68
Tell that to the mother whose kid is dying and can't get treatment because of money. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #89
That doesn't mean the only way forward is settling for tiny changes. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #118
That's the problem with Hillary.All change starts with a dream.She is not strong enough to hold one. The Wielding Truth Feb 2016 #23
Making extravagant promises to desperate people is the definition of.... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #24
exactly kennetha Feb 2016 #26
Like "building a giant wall", or "we'll win everything". JaneyVee Feb 2016 #28
Making desparate people is the promise of right wingers and third wayers. eom Fawke Em Feb 2016 #33
And apparently "socialists" who cant run an economy. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #52
Wouldn't know. Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, which is almost exactly the Nordic Model. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #66
Gee, an entire country with only 5 million people? JaneyVee Feb 2016 #69
And this matters, because? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #73
raw population isn't so much the issue kennetha Feb 2016 #84
Hillary is saying Bettie Feb 2016 #25
silliness kennetha Feb 2016 #27
She's not saying anything like that. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #32
Huh, the candidate who has released the most policy proposal from.... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #38
The fantasy I see OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #29
And neither candidate is saying they shouldn't. eom MoonRiver Feb 2016 #40
of course they can be taxed kennetha Feb 2016 #46
Please stop. H2O Man Feb 2016 #30
So dem principles fostering in other countries not as great as ours, are "fantasies". ViseGrip Feb 2016 #31
you are really confused kennetha Feb 2016 #41
"incrementally build on ACA" = more people paying insurance premiums and copays. arcane1 Feb 2016 #49
Many countries have followed this path to Universal Care kennetha Feb 2016 #53
You may not like it kennetha Feb 2016 #56
I didn't say you were a republican in disguise. arcane1 Feb 2016 #62
NO WE CAN'T! FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #34
To-wit: The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #37
That's cold. Accurate, but cold. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #48
Hillary needs to drop out before she is indicted bowens43 Feb 2016 #35
How long... jham123 Feb 2016 #43
You mean those fantasies that exist and work in many Cleita Feb 2016 #44
In 1960, you could say that Dr. King's whole life's work was a fantasy, a wish fulfillment. thereismore Feb 2016 #45
Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #54
No kidding. "Dream" is a bad word now. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #55
Dreams are good kennetha Feb 2016 #58
I give you that. However, how do you know in advance that something is a dream or a fantasy. thereismore Feb 2016 #64
Start by acknowledging kennetha Feb 2016 #70
I hear you. But the difference between us is that I don't think it is such a fantasy. thereismore Feb 2016 #74
Europe made different decisions early on. Plus Parliamentary Democracy... kennetha Feb 2016 #80
See, now we are having a very substantial discussion! thereismore Feb 2016 #92
Precise legislation kennetha Feb 2016 #98
Thank you, I will read some more on the legislation. thereismore Feb 2016 #130
It's the structure of the American Political System kennetha Feb 2016 #136
parilamentary democracy has virtues DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #135
agreed. kennetha Feb 2016 #138
Here is an example where Sanders proved to be super-duper pragmatist for the benefit of all: thereismore Feb 2016 #146
I guess the rest of the industrialized world is living in Oz. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #59
The Industrialized world has taken many different paths kennetha Feb 2016 #65
We are the wealthiest nation in history. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #71
Not at this point kennetha Feb 2016 #75
Sometimes disruption is a good thing. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #86
How do you beat a liar at his own game? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #63
K&R kennetha Feb 2016 #67
Lying? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #78
Hillary has a lot of Barnum in her DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #145
The aura of smug, self-satisfaction that pervades the HRC campaign makes me puke. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #72
Nothing against Burlington. kennetha Feb 2016 #77
Because Hillary has experience running what city/country? Do tell... DirtyHippyBastard Feb 2016 #140
Yes, but those are the *sensible* people. The grown-ups. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #82
Were not talking about crumbs from the table kennetha Feb 2016 #83
You've got to be kidding. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #102
So you think ACA is kennetha Feb 2016 #106
Yes. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #122
Getting people to turn out and vote is hardly a fantasy. basselope Feb 2016 #76
The only gawddamn thing she is dismantling is the Democratic Party. 99Forever Feb 2016 #81
Not true. Bernie has laid out real strategies for achieving change. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #85
"How can Hil keep the idiots?" whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #88
How do you expect HRC to be able to ask for Sanders votes(if she IS nominated) Ken Burch Feb 2016 #90
Not the movement kennetha Feb 2016 #103
You are attacking the movement in calling Bernie's ideas delusional Ken Burch Feb 2016 #116
She'll continue to try the "not as bad" fear ploy as usual. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #91
Yes, the only dream that counts is Hillary's dream of being the first woman President Fumesucker Feb 2016 #93
The problem is, nothing HRC supports that's to Bernie's right is even worth doing. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #94
Hiilary is the one with fanatsies RobertEarl Feb 2016 #95
That's why I'm so glad more "pragmatic" heads stopped MLK from his "I Have a Dream" speech nichomachus Feb 2016 #96
"the truly achievable" is never worth achieving. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #97
Bernie reminds me of another Jimmy Carter MelSC Feb 2016 #99
SUCK OF THE DAY!!! Ron Green Feb 2016 #100
Have we really become yet another "party of NO"? n/t Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #101
no kennetha Feb 2016 #105
Well... Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #112
She will lose the dreamers if she craps on their dreams. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #104
Don't crap on their dreams kennetha Feb 2016 #107
LOL The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #108
What do we want? Incremental change Fumesucker Feb 2016 #110
Bahaa! grntuscarora Feb 2016 #128
She's already lost the dreamers. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #113
the battle has just been joined. kennetha Feb 2016 #114
Settling for increments means that, after eight years Ken Burch Feb 2016 #121
It's kind of like Zeno's Paradox. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #134
Except Zeno was wrong kennetha Feb 2016 #141
Just as wrong as incrementalism. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #142
I have a dream. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #115
Nailed it, TVO! grntuscarora Feb 2016 #129
VP speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #117
We choose to go to the Moon in this decade The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #119
"Disvalue mere authenticity for authenticity sake" - fucking CLASSIC Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #120
We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #124
A huckster from Kansas? You might want to be careful with that language, your candidate Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #126
I disagree with your characterization of Bernie Sanders, but what Hillary and her campaign MUST do Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #131
"authenticity" and "truth based" are the same thing. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #132
OK, let's insert a variable in or two DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #133
well these took quite a lot more than magic pixie dust kennetha Feb 2016 #137
The point is DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #144
She can't, because people don't trust her. winter is coming Feb 2016 #139
So we go with a person that has proven sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #143
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