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Alfresco

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82. Bernie Sanders’s Kibbutz Found. Surprise: It’s Socialist.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-kibbutz.html?_r=0


By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 5, 2016

JERUSALEM — Senator Bernie Sanders volunteered on an Israeli kibbutz in the 1960s, but he has always been vague about the specific location. Now, the mystery about the Democratic presidential candidate’s past appears to have been solved, in the archives of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

Yossi Melman, a longtime Haaretz writer, remembers an interview he did with Mr. Sanders in 1990, the year he was elected to represent Vermont in the House. Haaretz dug up that clip, in which Mr. Sanders said he had spent several months in 1963 working on Kibbutz Sha’ar Ha’amakim, near Haifa in northern Israel, as a guest of the Hashomer Hatzair youth movement.

The movement, whose Hebrew name translates to “The Young Guard,” was a socialist, Zionist secular Jewish youth group founded in 1913 in Galicia, Austria-Hungary, and shared the name of a workers’ party in pre-1948 Palestine. The original 1990 article was titled “The First Socialist” and said that after spending time on the kibbutz with his wife at that time, Mr. Sanders seems to have lost his connection “to Israel, Zionism and Judaism,” Haaretz reported this week. Mr. Sanders has long described himself as a democratic socialist.
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The kibbutz was founded in Romania in 1929 and established in pre-state Israel in 1935. It saw the Soviet Union as a model, and often flew the red flag at outdoor events.

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http://forward.com/news/332946/revealed-at-last-inside-the-kibbutz-where-bernie-sanders-lived-and-learned/

Revealed at Last! Inside the Kibbutz Where Bernie Sanders Lived and Learned Socialism

Sanders’ time on the kibbutz, where he lived for a few months with his ex-wife, Deborah Messing (born Deborah Shiling) is referenced in virtually every profile of the candidate.

But the Sanders campaign has been tight-lipped about name of kibbutz, leaving journalists in Israel and the U.S. searching fruitlessly for months. On February 4, national security journalist Yossi Melman unearthed a 1990 interview with the candidate in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper, where he revealed that it was Shaar HaAmakim.

On Friday, the typically sleepy kibbutz in the shadow of the Carmel Mountain was swarming with Israeli journalists searching for memories or photos of the presidential hopeful.

“The kibbutz was a full commune,” said Irit Drori, a 72-year-old former secretary of the kibbutz. Typical of the time, children were raised in a dormitory apart from their parents, who lived in small apartments.

The kibbutz founders had a strong admiration for the Communist system in the Soviet Union.

What year would that have been? Is it something he would remember? Why does it matter? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #1
Google it. A lot of people are curious. Why the big secret? Alfresco Jan 2016 #2
Isn't that a Trump line, "A lot of people are curious/want to know"? nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #10
Is it? You listen to Trump frequently? Alfresco Jan 2016 #12
Unless a person's head is buried in the sand, one can't miss him. MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #16
I use my mute button or change channels. I do not care for his rhetoric. Alfresco Jan 2016 #27
Ah, the informed voter. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #71
LOL! You have to listen to every speech Trump says to know who he is and what he stands for KittyWampus Jan 2016 #74
LOL went out of date with MySpace. Not every one, but I don't go "La La La" when he's on TV. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #75
Why would they be curious? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #14
See post # 6. I supplied links to several articles. Read them. Alfresco Jan 2016 #15
Friends of the Earth Action... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #18
Hardly dark money, but keep spreading your little meme. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #44
I don't understand why this matters... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #3
People are curious. It's a great mystery. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #6
That his official biography may be inaccurate certainly does matter. baldguy Jan 2016 #31
Yet you support a candidate TM99 Jan 2016 #45
Your double standard is showing. baldguy Jan 2016 #52
No son. TM99 Jan 2016 #64
You first. baldguy Jan 2016 #66
No you first. TM99 Jan 2016 #72
Hillary Clinton admits to lying about sniper fire in Bosnia LittleBlue Jan 2016 #68
Why stop at this question? Matt_in_STL Jan 2016 #4
I LOVE the smell of Hillarian desperation in the morning. 99Forever Jan 2016 #5
Pathetic attempts grow ever more pathetic cali Jan 2016 #7
It's a simple question many people are asking. Alfresco Jan 2016 #9
Huh! You're the first I heard asking. elias49 Jan 2016 #29
See post #6. If you hear me you have magical powers. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #34
Meh. See Post #29 elias49 Jan 2016 #35
Good morning 99. No desperation, I just like a good mystery. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #25
Bullshit. 99Forever Jan 2016 #32
OMG Just bloody hysterical. I can't believe its not the Onion. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #8
If it was The Onion the title would be: Sanders Sleeper Mossad Agent, Trained while on Kibbutz. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #37
Obviously someone doesn't like you talking about this subject. MADem Jan 2016 #49
Thanks for posting this MADem. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #51
That's certainly what you think the title should be. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #60
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your jury service Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #11
Thanks for posting this Bobbie Jo. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #17
No problem Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #19
Fine. He actually spent that time working on his brilliant plan Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #13
You have a vivid imagination. Ever considered being a writer? Alfresco Jan 2016 #20
It's a rip from this.. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #28
Ah.. never saw the movie. Alfresco Jan 2016 #39
Who's to say I'm not alre----heyyyyy, wait a minute... Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #81
There is a meme pic floating around Paulie Jan 2016 #21
If we're going to revisit Bernie's kibbutz years, I would also like to revisit Vinca Jan 2016 #22
If you read the articles it's the Jewish community who are most curious about this. Alfresco Jan 2016 #23
They could always ask Bernie. I doubt he did anything crazier than any of us other Vinca Jan 2016 #26
Read the articles. Many people have asked with no response which is why it's such a mystery. Alfresco Jan 2016 #30
I'm not terribly interested in what Bernie did 50 years ago. Vinca Jan 2016 #76
well then if that's the case why post it here and not in the Jewish group? azurnoir Jan 2016 #42
Kerspluurrt!! pangaia Jan 2016 #46
Because I wanted to. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #47
All you have to do is buy HRC's book--she tells ALL--and even provides pictures. MADem Jan 2016 #61
Clearly, Google has limits, LWolf Jan 2016 #24
please. don't. go. there. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #33
You are mistaken. I'll leave it at that. Alfresco Jan 2016 #36
then why would this tidbit from ancient history restorefreedom Jan 2016 #38
That is the question. Why would Bernie keep this a secret if it's not relevant? Alfresco Jan 2016 #40
because it is so unrelated to politcs and so irrelevant, restorefreedom Jan 2016 #41
How do we know it's not relevant? The mystery continues. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #43
Only for those creating a self-fulfilling prophecy predicated on circular arguments. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #48
the only mystery restorefreedom Jan 2016 #57
Who said it was a secret? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #59
... Alfresco Jan 2016 #62
The funniest part of that JPOST article is "talented folk musician!" MADem Jan 2016 #50
Yikes. Alfresco Jan 2016 #55
That should disqualify him right there!! elias49 Jan 2016 #56
i have to agree with you there restorefreedom Jan 2016 #58
I am much more concerned with Hillary's ties with The Family/The Fellowship. djean111 Jan 2016 #53
It was most surely pandering. Maybe also wanting to be a part of the group. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #77
Both pandering to and just wanting to be part of that group are distasteful to me. djean111 Jan 2016 #80
Me too, and those ties are from the last couple decades..... peacebird Jan 2016 #78
I am not sure why this matters MuseRider Jan 2016 #54
Bernie is Jewish? Octafish Jan 2016 #63
WTF? I have a friend (non-Jewish) who was a kibbutz volunteer long ao. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #65
They've reached the bottom of the barrel shit already? Oilwellian Jan 2016 #67
Anti-Semitic conspiracies to go with the links to Stormfront and tomatobubble? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #70
What does this have to do with the Democratic primary? GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #69
LOL - must be the week of throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks Matariki Jan 2016 #73
Perhaps it was a kibbuzt in Kenya? Or actually a madrasa in Indonesia? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #79
Bernie Sanders’s Kibbutz Found. Surprise: It’s Socialist. Alfresco Feb 2016 #82
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