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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
198. I am a Bernie supporter, but I disagree with your OP
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:25 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see the evidence. Please try to provide a link to substantiate your OP.



As of 2:12 pm CST 2/7/2016

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/07/iowa-dems-fix-errors-caucus-results-say-clinton-still-winner/79967552/

^snip^

The Iowa Democratic Party has discovered errors in the results from five precincts, but the outcome of the Iowa caucuses remains the same, officials said Sunday.

Hillary Clinton won with 700.47 state delegate equivalents, or 49.84 percent.

Bernie Sanders finished in second place with 696.92 state delegate equivalents or 49.59 percent.

That's a difference of a quarter of a percentage point.





And also that the moon landing was faked. Don't leave that one out. DanTex Feb 2016 #1
Don't be so proud to think that vote fraud doesn't happen in America. Or that only Repugs do it. reformist2 Feb 2016 #2
It was probably the same people that faked the moon landing who rigged the Iowa caucus. DanTex Feb 2016 #3
Yes because the elections are never rigged are they? 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #6
I guess maybe Bernie rigged it and came up a little short, but it seems like a stretch. Maybe DanTex Feb 2016 #8
Hmmm so he rigged it so he would lose votes to Clinton? 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #9
Well, nobody accuses Bernie of being able to actually accomplish things.... DanTex Feb 2016 #31
Again silly response. We should probably just stop here. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #32
Well, the entire discussion about Iowa being rigged is silly. DanTex Feb 2016 #36
Donald Trump believes it SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #41
We don't believe Iowa was rigged. MrChuck Feb 2016 #90
Yeah, I'm sure there were rookie mistakes in such a chaotic system. DanTex Feb 2016 #96
Come on Dan... MrChuck Feb 2016 #103
Lots of books on human nature, huh? Did those books only apply to people caucusing for Hillary? DanTex Feb 2016 #115
I'm going to ignore the fact that you have twisted my words regarding the books that I've read MrChuck Feb 2016 #124
Well, I saw one video of an enraged Bernie supporter trying to bully the guy running a caucus. DanTex Feb 2016 #130
I recall reading it was a 45 Minute holdup of the vote. n/t Matt_R Feb 2016 #196
DanTex believe me when I say Mbrow Feb 2016 #134
I'd like to think your attitude isn't prevalent among our populace Plucketeer Feb 2016 #110
Why would anybody be "desperate"? treestar Feb 2016 #203
That's probably why it's major newspaper came out and pretty much said the same thing. libdem4life Feb 2016 #156
It's only silly if you are in the tank for Clinton no matter what. totodeinhere Feb 2016 #172
Why is it silly? We know of some irregularities. And we know that the Oligarchy that you rhett o rick Feb 2016 #211
Sometimes, it's best to try and not force the last word when one is flailing. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #54
You can't be...not in the day and age. DanTex knows better... but is being disingenous. Bubzer Feb 2016 #94
Disingenuous... I call it flailing. I think they've seen the writing on the wall. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #190
Honestly, I'd rather not. I already have a low opinon of a number of her supporters... Bubzer Feb 2016 #191
It was probably the driver with the HRC license plate on her car. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #46
Related link CentralMass Feb 2016 #56
OJ Simpson greiner3 Feb 2016 #141
Got any better strawmen? Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #214
Debbie has lots of Republican friends. Maybe they sent her a how-to-rig-elections book. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #121
To equate someone who questions the vote integrity to a conspiracy nut NowSam Feb 2016 #18
The Desmoines Register realizes what is at stake for Iowa. A Simple Game Feb 2016 #35
I think that, as well. It should be a state without weather issues, sizeable enough to warrant the libdem4life Feb 2016 #178
You're not going to get any serious answers from that poster notadmblnd Feb 2016 #60
Thanks. NowSam Feb 2016 #70
That poster knows the writing is on the wall. frylock Feb 2016 #137
Have you ever heard a person who has just died- last breath come out of them? notadmblnd Feb 2016 #152
Making stuff up without real evidence. .. Cary Feb 2016 #199
We just want a fair election NowSam Feb 2016 #200
Smearing people is fair? Cary Feb 2016 #206
Andi McGuire releasing the actual votes NowSam Feb 2016 #207
Thank you. Matariki Feb 2016 #201
I live in Iowa and we are dealing with these discrepancies CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #55
I think it's great. Conspiracy theories about Iowa do nothing but make Bernie supporters appear out DanTex Feb 2016 #61
You're hilarious! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #68
He's a frustrated and angry poster... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #101
Exactly. senz Feb 2016 #170
You mean Dan Tex? He never comes across as angry at all. treestar Feb 2016 #204
It doesn't become him, either... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #205
I guess that's all you got left now that Hillary is shown to be vulnerable. Perogie Feb 2016 #84
You're really embarrassing yourself. kath Feb 2016 #111
"All errors found have favored Clinton." Thor_MN Feb 2016 #126
Haha - moon landing. OhZone Feb 2016 #69
My goodness. senz Feb 2016 #174
Please direct us to the Des Moines Register article... ljm2002 Feb 2016 #81
Ya know, I like that you compare Bernie's accomplishment to the Space Race Android3.14 Feb 2016 #82
Ah, that was a knee jerk reply. Lots of snark, you think? cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #83
This is way down line from the original DanTex cute-ism, but it sure seems that his TryLogic Feb 2016 #100
Your An Idiot! Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #114
We need a technical term for what you did here. zeemike Feb 2016 #127
I believe the term is "joking." DanTex Feb 2016 #131
No that is the excuse when confronted zeemike Feb 2016 #135
Sleazy reply mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #192
It's a good question- as in, which SPECIFIC glaring logical fallacy would that fall under. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #213
Do have an inkling as to how bad this is going to make you look? frylock Feb 2016 #133
My #1 concern: what Bernie fans on the internet think of me! DanTex Feb 2016 #140
You're a rather prolific poster. I think you do care, Dan. frylock Feb 2016 #144
Mindreading! DanTex Feb 2016 #158
You post multiple times per day (often the same message) on a board dominated by Sanders supporters. frylock Feb 2016 #162
Umm.. that it's fun? Why do you do it? DanTex Feb 2016 #163
It is a lot of fun. frylock Feb 2016 #168
BernieBRO is the proper nomenclature, dude. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #212
Oh yes, we know this technique newthinking Feb 2016 #138
Weak analogy. nt malokvale77 Feb 2016 #186
And of course Hillary knew nothing about it 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #4
+1. It certainly created that impression. nt kristopher Feb 2016 #13
Yes. peacebird Feb 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #28
She probably chervilant Feb 2016 #34
Exactly 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #38
The one thing that the Clinton's learn well FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #80
I'm fascinated by the number of people so willing... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #188
I have often wondered about the same thing FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #189
Of course she didn't personally coordinate irregularities (I guess)... SoapBox Feb 2016 #125
I share your opinion. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #5
Isn't it funny how Bernie followers are acting just as they said Clinton supporters would? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #7
Looks like its not gonna be a two tenths close 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #10
Who won the pool on how soon it'd take this to become voter fraud if it went to Clinton? KittyWampus Feb 2016 #11
First you should know more about what you are talking about. It's election fraud. Not voter fraud. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #16
THANK YOU! it is often a sign of Republicanism to cite voter fraud. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #202
It wouldn't be fraud unless there were actual credible reason to believe that fraud of some kind Gene Debs Feb 2016 #53
You are wrong. zalinda Feb 2016 #77
Truth Rilesome Feb 2016 #184
Counting every vote Mnpaul Feb 2016 #208
Isn't it funny how a 60 point lead became a close race? n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #39
Which leads me back to my point. Bernie followers are acting as they said Clinton supporters would.. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #43
You keep saying ornotna Feb 2016 #58
Does that bother you? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #62
It was a simple question ornotna Feb 2016 #64
It DOES bother you. Good. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #66
That's what makes you happy? ornotna Feb 2016 #75
one of many things wyldwolf Feb 2016 #76
Speaks volumes to your character ornotna Feb 2016 #78
"speaks volumes" - such an overused 'progressive' rhetorical crutch wyldwolf Feb 2016 #79
Progressive rhetorical crutch? What a crock. How about "Bernie can't win"? I'd also call that an libdem4life Feb 2016 #171
typical 'progressive' schtick wyldwolf Feb 2016 #173
grasping at straws...all of these were crafted way before Progressive was Cool. Goes with the libdem4life Feb 2016 #176
I guess this is the point where you start blathering about oligarchy wyldwolf Feb 2016 #177
Yes, you would be correct about one of the above, and it does start with an "O". But "blathering", libdem4life Feb 2016 #179
Of course I'm correct. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #180
Of course, dear, you're always correct. Really. libdem4life Feb 2016 #181
you did. thanks! wyldwolf Feb 2016 #183
Carry on. I'm sure there is another Important Thread to which you can add meaning with one liners libdem4life Feb 2016 #185
you've fallen pretty far if you have to get your kicks from teasing people. Perogie Feb 2016 #86
At a post count of 216 (and the fact I essentially took 6 weeks off from DU while traveling) wyldwolf Feb 2016 #87
Oh, then I guess you've always been that low. Sorry my mistake to assume you were once better. Perogie Feb 2016 #88
thanks to a DU PM, my suspicions confirmed. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #89
With followers like you, I can't imagine how Clinton could lose. JoeyT Feb 2016 #104
Now that's the hive collective mentality I'm used to. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #105
Yeah, everyone that thinks for themselves does what they're told and supports Hillary. JoeyT Feb 2016 #118
You're back on track! The Hive Collective Dispatch reach you today at last wyldwolf Feb 2016 #120
What is wrong with wanting to know the actual count. INdemo Feb 2016 #42
because you won't accept them unless the outcome favors Bernie wyldwolf Feb 2016 #45
You are so sure she won. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #49
I accept the official number from the Iowa Democratic party. YOU, on the other hand... wyldwolf Feb 2016 #51
...want an audit of those official numbers. A perfectly reasonable request. reformist2 Feb 2016 #92
I accept the official number from the Iowa Democratic party. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #145
No the people of IA who were and have seen the flipping of numbers do not bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #195
Of course I will but I just believe the way things have transpired INdemo Feb 2016 #73
the official count has been released. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #74
...and the DesMoines Register articles indicate it is wrong, in many cases. reformist2 Feb 2016 #95
which is speculation by them and NOT the official results. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #97
No, this is what actual delegates and precinct captains have said about the results. They're pissed. reformist2 Feb 2016 #98
So? Others have NOT said that. The official results have been released. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #102
I get a kick out of watching democrats argue against transparency. frylock Feb 2016 #143
I get a kick out of watching 'prooogressiiivves' claim conspiracy every time they lose. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #146
I can't wait until the tables have turned. frylock Feb 2016 #148
the tables HAVE turned. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #149
Enjoy yourself while you can. It's gonna be ugly when this gets ferreted out. frylock Feb 2016 #155
talk about a bookmark-worthy post. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #159
Aptly named as you must have spun around a dozen times greiner3 Feb 2016 #164
an odd, rambling reply from you. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #169
no it hasn't not the raw vote Just the deelegate assignments. INdemo Feb 2016 #132
Bernie followers like the Des Moines Register? frylock Feb 2016 #139
I bet the actual raw votes show a SOLID win for Bernie. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #12
Yes We Will scottie55 Feb 2016 #40
And how many of these wrong transpositions do you have evidence of? randome Feb 2016 #14
Only takes one 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #17
Ah yes. Vote fraud only happens in other countries. reformist2 Feb 2016 #23
Given the answer you got, that would seem to be none. mythology Feb 2016 #72
The DNC has refused to release the raw vote count, what are they hiding? gyroscope Feb 2016 #15
Ten bucks says it accidentally gets destroyed if a suit is filed 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #19
i am sure the shredders have already been working overtime. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #21
If that is the case, then we will know for sure they cheated gyroscope Feb 2016 #22
absolutely. i hope the register takes it to court. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #24
YOU ARE FREE TO DO WHAT WE TELL YOU!!! Yurovsky Feb 2016 #26
If it was Old Codger Feb 2016 #99
as many have pointed out, auto recounts would have already occurred restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20
Of course he won! And EVERYONE KNOWS IT. The cheating, lying, stealing and CORRUPTION is only in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #25
The Corruption Is Exactly The Point scottie55 Feb 2016 #47
+1000 MissDeeds Feb 2016 #93
LOL Metric System Feb 2016 #29
Laughing? chervilant Feb 2016 #37
That's all they ever write. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #44
I did not know that. chervilant Feb 2016 #48
Nope, that's just my response to things that are so ridiculous they're not worth putting time, Metric System Feb 2016 #52
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #147
My party? WTF are you talking about?!? Metric System Feb 2016 #153
You are a democrat, yes? frylock Feb 2016 #157
Oh, so the Democratic party is not your party? So why are you on Democratic Underground? Metric System Feb 2016 #161
I'm here mostly for LBN. frylock Feb 2016 #165
Hillary supporters think this is funny. What if it was the other way around? bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #50
I think Bernie won because of what Hillary did. INdemo Feb 2016 #30
With elections so close all the time.... mdbl Feb 2016 #33
Hopefully, when Bernie is president, he'll get rid of evoting machines (if he survives the hacks) & in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #57
discrepancies are adding up restorefreedom Feb 2016 #59
I disagree and would bet Bernie does too... Moral Compass Feb 2016 #63
If she cheated there, she will cheat elsewhere. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #85
You're right, it absolutely does. We need to get out in front of this NOW! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #142
full investigation that he is corrupt!! pokhum Feb 2016 #65
Yes, Iowa democrats are cheaters and liars (and enablers of the establishment!) ecstatic Feb 2016 #67
Take it up with the Des Moines Register. frylock Feb 2016 #151
In the most important way, he already did. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #71
ELECTION fraud is not VOTER fraud. Blue State Bandit Feb 2016 #91
Move on HassleCat Feb 2016 #106
Can you please link to some evidence which supports your claim? Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #107
The obviously anti-Clinton Des Moines register. jeff47 Feb 2016 #175
They are saying Hillary won by 0.25% (as of 2:12 pm CST 2/7/16) Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #197
Like Bernie said madokie Feb 2016 #108
We must remain vigilant because they plan to pull this shit in every state. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #109
THIS wyldwolf Feb 2016 #113
Could it be that if Bernie followers think this way, it's because Hillary followers behave the Cal33 Feb 2016 #122
more likely because you're given to conspiracies. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #123
We think this way with good reason. It all comes back to the trust issue. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #129
It is about integrity. Bernie made an honest statement: It is a virtual tie. Hillary... TryLogic Feb 2016 #112
It's more about the future... basselope Feb 2016 #116
HRC Is So Desperate To Be POTUS - Nothing Would Surprise This Citizen cantbeserious Feb 2016 #117
You know, that is what they mean when they say that Hillary Helen Borg Feb 2016 #119
... SidDithers Feb 2016 #128
Lying liars! polichick Feb 2016 #136
If these are just mistakes greymattermom Feb 2016 #150
Jesus, who's more dishonest? Not Sure Feb 2016 #154
Reports that there were a lot of people angry over the count. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #160
An investigation is necessary for transparency's sake 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #166
whoever won, doesnt matter, lets just see the final numbers. How hard is that? litlbilly Feb 2016 #167
I don't know... dchill Feb 2016 #182
Hahaha kjones Feb 2016 #187
reformist2 is of the opinion that there is "now enough evidence". That's pretty clear IMHO. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #209
To reiterate... kjones Feb 2016 #210
Debbie, Hillary, and the whole establishment should be in JAIL for election fraud. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #193
What does "Bernie won" TeddyR Feb 2016 #194
I am a Bernie supporter, but I disagree with your OP Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #198
That small difference is exactly why it should have a recount. jwirr Feb 2016 #216
With any election that close there is almost always a recount. jwirr Feb 2016 #215
"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything" - Stalin progree Feb 2016 #217
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