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Hoyt

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61. Oh who knows. Maybe she won in 2008 because the demographics just didn't favor Obama, plus
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:41 PM
Feb 2016

there are a number of gun manufacturers and lovers in NH who probably feel more secure with Sanders. Who really knows, or cares, what happened 8 years ago?

If true, she does not get the concept of irony. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #1
The irony is that if Sanders can call a loss a win, why not Clinton? Hoyt Feb 2016 #29
She was 50 points down.... daleanime Feb 2016 #37
She won big in NH in 2008 what happened? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #40
Oh who knows. Maybe she won in 2008 because the demographics just didn't favor Obama, plus Hoyt Feb 2016 #61
There was a mass Amnesia attack on NH and they woke up with no idea who she was I guess Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #66
LOL Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #131
If she gets within .25% I'll agree with you Arazi Feb 2016 #53
You don't have to agree with me. This is politics, there are always at least 2 ways to look at just Hoyt Feb 2016 #64
Guns being the exception, right? malokvale77 Feb 2016 #142
He called it a virtual tie elljay Feb 2016 #59
No Hoyt, that's not what irony means either. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #71
Tried to avoid characterizing it as "doltish." Hoyt Feb 2016 #80
I think doltish would describe her fine, Go Vols Feb 2016 #88
To be fair, Sanders called a .25 point loss a "virtual tie" and that they would get roughly the same morningfog Feb 2016 #99
I think he called a 0.2% loss a "virtual tie" 6chars Feb 2016 #127
He called a very very close race a virtual tie karynnj Feb 2016 #133
So by that metric, Bernie CLEARLY WON IOWA in a LANDSLIDE! John Poet Feb 2016 #63
let me see ... there's a thread that said her statistical roguevalley Feb 2016 #85
uh huh Matariki Feb 2016 #2
Whatever. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #3
the tie that is not a tie 0rganism Feb 2016 #134
What absolute rot! Punkingal Feb 2016 #4
succint. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #102
.+10 840high Feb 2016 #129
Their numbers must have them down 15%! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #5
My guess is her numbers have her down less than 10 HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #11
I assume it will be single digits--never discount the advantages the Clintons enjoy. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #33
she has the sheheen machine karynnj Feb 2016 #135
Yep. If you're over 60 and registered as a Dem, someone is busy tracking you down TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #137
My guess is if your guess is correct, their numbers are wrong again. morningfog Feb 2016 #100
But her .2% in the Iowa caucus was a VICTORY and a LOSS for Sanders? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #6
Yes, most will see it that way given NH demographics. DCBob Feb 2016 #7
Confused--did the demographics of NH change in 8 years? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #25
No.. your point?? DCBob Feb 2016 #28
Because the demographics favored her in 2008. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #36
You would have point if Barack Obama were running again.. DCBob Feb 2016 #43
Same candidate, same demographics. Just a different challenger, but from the same TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #49
You downplay your candidate's appeal. DCBob Feb 2016 #56
But in 2008 Clinton touted herself as being the candidate of hard working WHITE people. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #60
I admit it, Bernie beats her with that demographic. DCBob Feb 2016 #68
He's working to win more minority support. I do not expect him to announce TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #75
He better work harder.. so far its not working. DCBob Feb 2016 #79
We'll see. He has a good heart and will do what he can to earn trust. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #84
No doubt the man has a good heart and good intentions. DCBob Feb 2016 #87
So did John Edwards n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #124
But she hasn't turned on the waterworks this year.... John Poet Feb 2016 #72
They went LL Bean this year, at least on Bill. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #78
He never wanted to be President. He always wanted to be--- John Poet Feb 2016 #106
The demographics of the state suggest such. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #8
Shame on you Hillary nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #9
93% of NH endorsements... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #10
Those mean nothing if Bernie's the nominee. n/t in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #35
"People are tired of machine politics where they are told how to vote. " Myrina Feb 2016 #52
You just made my point stronger. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #77
Uh, no. 93% of NH ... whoever ... coming out and telling people to vote for HRC ... Myrina Feb 2016 #120
How did you manage to put two conflicting statements in there and declare victory? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #74
Maybe I wasn't clear. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #98
Ah, got it. I was confused. LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #103
that's why a single digit loss would still be a win 6chars Feb 2016 #128
I would see a tie as a win for her (given the poll numbers over the last few weeks) cyberswede Feb 2016 #12
Always taking Sander's positions... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #13
Be interested to see the breakdown when it's done. malthaussen Feb 2016 #14
She shouldn't worry. We haven't lost a single Gidget. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #15
Great minds think alike. See my #22 post below. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #27
But you missed the death hoax. n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #70
you left out The Flying Nun PaulaFarrell Feb 2016 #140
The OP had a typo which has been corrected. Gigit instead of digit Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #141
Absurd, cheating is winning, and now losing is winning. Why would this be a win? She's crazy ViseGrip Feb 2016 #16
If only Gennifer Flowers ... earthside Feb 2016 #51
And War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery And Ignorance is Strength.....nt global1 Feb 2016 #55
Wasn't Bernie leading by a huge... one_voice Feb 2016 #17
Hillary was up 40-50 in May 2015 TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #18
Not just huge anymore, 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #19
Was he? Or was it a carefully cooked poll designed to support this narrative? n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #21
I usually have MSNBC on in the background.. one_voice Feb 2016 #38
Iowa was considered a toss-up going into caucus day. Bernie's expected to win NH, winter is coming Feb 2016 #54
31 was the highest I saw SheenaR Feb 2016 #125
I though Bernie was going to win NH by 30 plus points workinclasszero Feb 2016 #20
Early voting was 2 to 1. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #24
Wow still early results workinclasszero Feb 2016 #30
"Gigit": tblue37 Feb 2016 #22
Haa! fixed now.. thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #26
Gotta leave this up, though, because cute. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #32
But a TIE in Iowa was a loss for Bernie. Got it. Clinton Double Standard. Will she give another in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #23
Most New Hampshire voters had not heard of Bernie Sanders prior to this campaign. Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #50
I'm guessing she was prodded into saying that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #31
lol I love how nervous she feels that they need to get this bullshit out now. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #34
It's a win because 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #39
Will it be less than 2008? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #44
Ergo the tie in Iowa was a landslide for Sanders. earthside Feb 2016 #41
You can bet that will be the corporate media conglomerates' non-stop spin. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #42
They are correct. If Bernie blows his big lead and she gets enough delegates KittyWampus Feb 2016 #45
No, actually Hillary has blown her Oct 2015 lead: Hills 38% v. Bernie 34%. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #69
The smart move is to just declare victory n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #46
Is she really delusional? Myrina Feb 2016 #47
+10 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #48
Hillary spinning out of control....losing is winning, cheating is winning. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #57
lol closeupready Feb 2016 #58
Unless you're dropping out of the race... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #62
Hillary Clinton was down 30%+ in the polls. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #65
She was down by 30 in one or two outliers. The margin is more typically 15-20. nt/ winter is coming Feb 2016 #94
Can you for at least once stop engaging in spin? Please be real with me. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #97
LOL! That's not spin. Go look at the actual polls. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #104
In a recent CNN/WMUR poll, it had sanders 61% and Hillary at 30%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #108
A double-digit loss is a win? winter is coming Feb 2016 #110
It's a win because Bernie Sanders should be winning at least by 40%, but Hillary is fighting. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #111
She started out 50 points *ahead* in NH. winter is coming Feb 2016 #112
We are talking about the moment of now. The polls have Bernie up by nearly 30%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #113
Ooh, not just a victory, but a MAJOR victory? winter is coming Feb 2016 #114
I am still a bit nervous. I am not sure she will be able to close the gap to 20%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #115
It's not a "comeback" when you lose by double digits. winter is coming Feb 2016 #116
It is a comeback when the polls have Bernie winning by nearly 30%. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #117
double digits then DemForLife Feb 2016 #67
More seriously, this is the woman who has argued that DOMA was a win for gay people. closeupready Feb 2016 #73
I still think Bill's declaring victory in NH way back when was brilliant bigtree Feb 2016 #76
Most political watchers do not expect a blowout. Most of us who have been here TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #83
lol Go Vols Feb 2016 #81
And a double-digit loss will be a tie? Orsino Feb 2016 #82
That would mean Bernie cheated, of course. closeupready Feb 2016 #92
And that only a triple-digit loss will be a loss. n/t Orsino Feb 2016 #96
Stop, you're killing me here! closeupready Feb 2016 #109
So have the ptb told her she will win by single digits... bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #86
Just like beating Bernie by 1/4 of 1% of the vote in Iowa was a big win for her. Botany Feb 2016 #89
In the 'reality community' I guess so. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #90
Our last 3 elected Presidents lost the New Hampshire primary. randome Feb 2016 #91
I don't think she would say that unless californiabernin Feb 2016 #93
Clinton camp is telling the media what narrative to follow. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #95
She can come out then and say: sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #101
there are two kinds if wins... artyteacher Feb 2016 #105
If Hillary had always been way behind, I could grant that. winter is coming Feb 2016 #119
I don't think there is I sa law... artyteacher Feb 2016 #121
A hard-and-fast law, no. winter is coming Feb 2016 #122
Her internal polling must be showing some shocking numbers Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #107
I wouldn't say shocking but probably a closer race. californiabernin Feb 2016 #118
So she is saying that the voting machines have been programmed to flip every 10th vote for Sanders mhatrw Feb 2016 #123
Hillarious.... too bad the MSM is fresh out of Journalists berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #126
+10 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #130
After the shit Clinton pulled last week and this week Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #132
I'm with you on that one. It actually wouldn't surprise me too much 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #136
but she and her supporters kept saying "a win is a win". At least in Iowa. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #138
Hillary's banking on collective voter amnesia 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #139
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