2016 Postmortem

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73. More seriously, this is the woman who has argued that DOMA was a win for gay people.

Tue Feb 9, 2016, 02:45 PM

Feb 2016

The Clintons think they are just so dang smart, that their sheer smarminess persuades intelligent people that when they lose, they are actually winning.

So this spin is right up that alley.

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CNN: Clinton announcing a "single-digit loss will be a win" for her. nt [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 OP

If true, she does not get the concept of irony. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #1

The irony is that if Sanders can call a loss a win, why not Clinton? Hoyt Feb 2016 #29

She was 50 points down.... daleanime Feb 2016 #37

She won big in NH in 2008 what happened? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #40

Oh who knows. Maybe she won in 2008 because the demographics just didn't favor Obama, plus Hoyt Feb 2016 #61

There was a mass Amnesia attack on NH and they woke up with no idea who she was I guess Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #66

LOL Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #131

If she gets within .25% I'll agree with you Arazi Feb 2016 #53

You don't have to agree with me. This is politics, there are always at least 2 ways to look at just Hoyt Feb 2016 #64

Guns being the exception, right? malokvale77 Feb 2016 #142

He called it a virtual tie elljay Feb 2016 #59

No Hoyt, that's not what irony means either. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #71

Tried to avoid characterizing it as "doltish." Hoyt Feb 2016 #80

I think doltish would describe her fine, Go Vols Feb 2016 #88

To be fair, Sanders called a .25 point loss a "virtual tie" and that they would get roughly the same morningfog Feb 2016 #99

I think he called a 0.2% loss a "virtual tie" 6chars Feb 2016 #127

He called a very very close race a virtual tie karynnj Feb 2016 #133

So by that metric, Bernie CLEARLY WON IOWA in a LANDSLIDE! John Poet Feb 2016 #63

let me see ... there's a thread that said her statistical roguevalley Feb 2016 #85

uh huh Matariki Feb 2016 #2

Whatever. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #3

the tie that is not a tie 0rganism Feb 2016 #134

What absolute rot! Punkingal Feb 2016 #4

succint. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #102

.+10 840high Feb 2016 #129

Their numbers must have them down 15%! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #5

My guess is her numbers have her down less than 10 HerbChestnut Feb 2016 #11

I assume it will be single digits--never discount the advantages the Clintons enjoy. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #33

she has the sheheen machine karynnj Feb 2016 #135

Yep. If you're over 60 and registered as a Dem, someone is busy tracking you down TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #137

My guess is if your guess is correct, their numbers are wrong again. morningfog Feb 2016 #100

But her .2% in the Iowa caucus was a VICTORY and a LOSS for Sanders? Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #6

Yes, most will see it that way given NH demographics. DCBob Feb 2016 #7

Confused--did the demographics of NH change in 8 years? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #25

No.. your point?? DCBob Feb 2016 #28

Because the demographics favored her in 2008. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #36

You would have point if Barack Obama were running again.. DCBob Feb 2016 #43

Same candidate, same demographics. Just a different challenger, but from the same TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #49

You downplay your candidate's appeal. DCBob Feb 2016 #56

But in 2008 Clinton touted herself as being the candidate of hard working WHITE people. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #60

I admit it, Bernie beats her with that demographic. DCBob Feb 2016 #68

He's working to win more minority support. I do not expect him to announce TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #75

He better work harder.. so far its not working. DCBob Feb 2016 #79

We'll see. He has a good heart and will do what he can to earn trust. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #84

No doubt the man has a good heart and good intentions. DCBob Feb 2016 #87

So did John Edwards n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #124

But she hasn't turned on the waterworks this year.... John Poet Feb 2016 #72

They went LL Bean this year, at least on Bill. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #78

He never wanted to be President. He always wanted to be--- John Poet Feb 2016 #106

The demographics of the state suggest such. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #8

Shame on you Hillary nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #9

93% of NH endorsements... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #10

Those mean nothing if Bernie's the nominee. n/t in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #35

"People are tired of machine politics where they are told how to vote. " Myrina Feb 2016 #52

You just made my point stronger. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #77

Uh, no. 93% of NH ... whoever ... coming out and telling people to vote for HRC ... Myrina Feb 2016 #120

How did you manage to put two conflicting statements in there and declare victory? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #74

Maybe I wasn't clear. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #98

Ah, got it. I was confused. LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #103

that's why a single digit loss would still be a win 6chars Feb 2016 #128

I would see a tie as a win for her (given the poll numbers over the last few weeks) cyberswede Feb 2016 #12

Always taking Sander's positions... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #13

Be interested to see the breakdown when it's done. malthaussen Feb 2016 #14

She shouldn't worry. We haven't lost a single Gidget. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #15

Great minds think alike. See my #22 post below. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #27

But you missed the death hoax. n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #70

you left out The Flying Nun PaulaFarrell Feb 2016 #140

The OP had a typo which has been corrected. Gigit instead of digit Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #141

Absurd, cheating is winning, and now losing is winning. Why would this be a win? She's crazy ViseGrip Feb 2016 #16

If only Gennifer Flowers ... earthside Feb 2016 #51

And War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery And Ignorance is Strength.....nt global1 Feb 2016 #55

Wasn't Bernie leading by a huge... one_voice Feb 2016 #17

Hillary was up 40-50 in May 2015 TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #18

Not just huge anymore, 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #19

Was he? Or was it a carefully cooked poll designed to support this narrative? n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #21

I usually have MSNBC on in the background.. one_voice Feb 2016 #38

Iowa was considered a toss-up going into caucus day. Bernie's expected to win NH, winter is coming Feb 2016 #54

31 was the highest I saw SheenaR Feb 2016 #125

I though Bernie was going to win NH by 30 plus points workinclasszero Feb 2016 #20

Early voting was 2 to 1. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #24

Wow still early results workinclasszero Feb 2016 #30

"Gigit": tblue37 Feb 2016 #22

Haa! fixed now.. thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #26

Gotta leave this up, though, because cute. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #32

But a TIE in Iowa was a loss for Bernie. Got it. Clinton Double Standard. Will she give another in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #23

Most New Hampshire voters had not heard of Bernie Sanders prior to this campaign. Senator Tankerbell Feb 2016 #50

I'm guessing she was prodded into saying that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #31

lol I love how nervous she feels that they need to get this bullshit out now. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #34

It's a win because 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #39

Will it be less than 2008? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #44

Ergo the tie in Iowa was a landslide for Sanders. earthside Feb 2016 #41

You can bet that will be the corporate media conglomerates' non-stop spin. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #42

They are correct. If Bernie blows his big lead and she gets enough delegates KittyWampus Feb 2016 #45

No, actually Hillary has blown her Oct 2015 lead: Hills 38% v. Bernie 34%. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #69

The smart move is to just declare victory n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #46

Is she really delusional? Myrina Feb 2016 #47

+10 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #48

Hillary spinning out of control....losing is winning, cheating is winning. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #57

lol closeupready Feb 2016 #58

Unless you're dropping out of the race... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #62

Hillary Clinton was down 30%+ in the polls. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #65

She was down by 30 in one or two outliers. The margin is more typically 15-20. nt/ winter is coming Feb 2016 #94

Can you for at least once stop engaging in spin? Please be real with me. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #97

LOL! That's not spin. Go look at the actual polls. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #104

In a recent CNN/WMUR poll, it had sanders 61% and Hillary at 30%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #108

A double-digit loss is a win? winter is coming Feb 2016 #110

It's a win because Bernie Sanders should be winning at least by 40%, but Hillary is fighting. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #111

She started out 50 points *ahead* in NH. winter is coming Feb 2016 #112

We are talking about the moment of now. The polls have Bernie up by nearly 30%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #113

Ooh, not just a victory, but a MAJOR victory? winter is coming Feb 2016 #114

I am still a bit nervous. I am not sure she will be able to close the gap to 20%. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #115

It's not a "comeback" when you lose by double digits. winter is coming Feb 2016 #116

It is a comeback when the polls have Bernie winning by nearly 30%. nt ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #117

double digits then DemForLife Feb 2016 #67

More seriously, this is the woman who has argued that DOMA was a win for gay people. closeupready Feb 2016 #73

I still think Bill's declaring victory in NH way back when was brilliant bigtree Feb 2016 #76

Most political watchers do not expect a blowout. Most of us who have been here TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #83

lol Go Vols Feb 2016 #81

And a double-digit loss will be a tie? Orsino Feb 2016 #82

That would mean Bernie cheated, of course. closeupready Feb 2016 #92

And that only a triple-digit loss will be a loss. n/t Orsino Feb 2016 #96

Stop, you're killing me here! closeupready Feb 2016 #109

So have the ptb told her she will win by single digits... bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #86

Just like beating Bernie by 1/4 of 1% of the vote in Iowa was a big win for her. Botany Feb 2016 #89

In the 'reality community' I guess so. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #90

Our last 3 elected Presidents lost the New Hampshire primary. randome Feb 2016 #91

I don't think she would say that unless californiabernin Feb 2016 #93

Clinton camp is telling the media what narrative to follow. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #95

She can come out then and say: sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #101

there are two kinds if wins... artyteacher Feb 2016 #105

If Hillary had always been way behind, I could grant that. winter is coming Feb 2016 #119

I don't think there is I sa law... artyteacher Feb 2016 #121

A hard-and-fast law, no. winter is coming Feb 2016 #122

Her internal polling must be showing some shocking numbers Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #107

I wouldn't say shocking but probably a closer race. californiabernin Feb 2016 #118

So she is saying that the voting machines have been programmed to flip every 10th vote for Sanders mhatrw Feb 2016 #123

Hillarious.... too bad the MSM is fresh out of Journalists berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #126

+10 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #130

After the shit Clinton pulled last week and this week Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #132

I'm with you on that one. It actually wouldn't surprise me too much 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #136

but she and her supporters kept saying "a win is a win". At least in Iowa. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #138

Hillary's banking on collective voter amnesia 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #139