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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I've finally made up my mind...I support Bernie Sanders [View all]Divernan
(15,480 posts)67. What? You have a problem with cluster-bombing little brown kids!
(Sarcasm, of course.)Don't hold that against Abuela Hillary! (More sarcasm!)
Here is the bill: the Cluster Munitions Civilian Protection Act.
This was a single purpose amendment to a larger defense bill so was not part of an omnibus bill where she could have had mixed goals. This was an act to limit the use and transfer of cluster munitions to those munitions that have a 99% or higher reliability rate, would prohibit use of cluster munitions in areas where civilians are known to be present and would require a cleanup plan of cluster munition remnants if the US used cluster munitions.
Historically, cluster munitions are particularly troubling because they are left in place and affect civilians ... including those women and children that Hillary expresses she is a fighter for. It is a world wide issue and is the subject of numerous diplomatic attempts to take these munitions that affect civilians off the table.
Of all her warlike votes, this may be the worst. There was no progressive or liberal reason for anyone to vote against this amendment. Her vote was either because she is a defense hawk or because she wanted to look like one and not look soft. It is one of the worst weapons in the world. Hillary joined 15 other democrats and EVERY REPUBLICAN iN voting this way. Her democratic company included most of the conservative war democrats in the senate: lieberman, nelson, landrieu, pryor, shumer. Surprisingly it was a Feinstein introduced Amendment which shows that such munitions even concern people who generally are defense hawks.
And for you Clinton lovers who want to associate her fully with Obama. Of course he voted for the Ban because he does not have the war baggage she has. Hillary voted against banning these munitions and there really is no excuse for this vote.
Some links below on cluster bombs and the Bill.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2012106/hillary-and-cluster-bombs-is-this-what-we-want
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/21/425303/-Hillary-Clinton-Voted-to-Continue-Cluster-Bombing-Civilians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251413864
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The implication that Bernie Sanders lied about being a civil rights activist
Eric J in MN
Feb 2016
#25
Well, there's another OP out there now, showing a page of a book Lewis wrote
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Feb 2016
#40
I hope the swift-boating of Sanders' civil rights record backfires with many others too.
Vattel
Feb 2016
#35
After the John Lewis comment today, I sent the Sanders campaign $100. The first of many
WestSeattle2
Feb 2016
#52