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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
12. And Hillary is re-running that 2008 campaign now.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:53 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton is not Obama's logical successor.

Not for progressives, anyway. And frankly it doesn't matter which candidate Obama personally prefers. She ran to Obama's right in 2008, and is to his right today.

Neither Sanders or Clinton is Obama, or will govern like Obama. Sanders would be a move to Obama's left; Hillary to the right.

I get that Hillary would like to frame the discussion so that the things Obama has done that progressives like should accrue to her, but that doesn't hold together logically. She ran in 2008 the same way she's running now -- accusing the more progressive candidate of being a naive pipe dreamer who couldn't "get things done."

The reason is that polls show most Dems would like a President either more progressive than Obama, or about the same. I think it was 13% who wanted a more conservative Dem in the White House. But that is what Hillary represents.

So this is her core problem. She's once again the more conservative choice, which once again is not what Dems say they want. And she's once again arguing that her more conservative approach is more practical -- which in itself is not a terrible argument.

But she is also again arguing that the more progressive approach is hopelessly naive pipe dreaming, like her "magic wand" speech directed at Obama in 2008.

And on top of that, she would like to argue she represents the best continuation of Obama's most progressive policies?

It's an odd way to go about things, and highly questionable given how it worked out last time.

yes it was Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #1
I was recalling the same thing. She was a below the belt player. A definite politician nt quantass Feb 2016 #2
By all accounts, Pres. Obama wants Hillary to be the nominee. Bernie wanted to primary him in 2012. Metric System Feb 2016 #3
For throwing SS on the chopping block in the "Grand Bargain" Thank Heavens Bernie stood up to jillan Feb 2016 #6
'By all accounts' is a phrase meaning 'the gossip I've heard'. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #18
Obama has proven that we must read between the lines to understand him. earthshine Feb 2016 #22
+1 People purporting to know what politicians are thinking seem silly. merrily Feb 2016 #33
So, you think the President of the United States is a punk Empowerer Feb 2016 #4
Obama seems to cower whenever a republican says "boo" gyroscope Feb 2016 #20
Wow Empowerer Feb 2016 #21
I see your "wow" and raise you two more. Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #26
he hasn't made a peep about it bigtree Feb 2016 #5
He gave her the job so she wouldn't primary him or build her own power base TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #10
that's more likely Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #13
Nobody thought Hillary Clinton was a foreign policy leading light in 2008. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #16
I made that case during that election bigtree Feb 2016 #32
Various endorsements and puffery from Clinton-friendly media (MUSCULAR!!!--right, Marc Ambinder?)-- TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #38
you realize there's much more bigtree Feb 2016 #41
I'm OK with that, because I don't think "the club" is all that great. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #42
that's a cop out bigtree Feb 2016 #43
I don't think he does claim expertise. I think he has some experience TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #45
Appointing her was just politics. The folks who look ultra foolish are the people who spent 2008 Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #19
I doubt Obama would appoint a SoS, someone who would define his foreign policy bigtree Feb 2016 #24
What you said, or they made a deal in 2008. merrily Feb 2016 #36
yeah this has been bothering me as well demosocialist Feb 2016 #7
It was disgraceful farleftlib Feb 2016 #8
I've never forgiven it. I don't care if Obama does, he's the President TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #9
Apparently Obama understood and didn't take it the way his critics are using it. Hoyt Feb 2016 #11
Obama is an adult Empowerer Feb 2016 #25
Either that or Obama and the Clintons made a deal in 2008. merrily Feb 2016 #37
And Hillary is re-running that 2008 campaign now. DirkGently Feb 2016 #12
history repeating Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #14
Actually she ran to his left on one of THE major issues. kennetha Feb 2016 #31
The truth is that she ran to Obama's right and remains there. DirkGently Feb 2016 #47
Thank you! Nedsdag Feb 2016 #15
The Clinton campaign milked the Pastor Jeremiah Wright controversy Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #17
How ironic now that Sanders' folks milk everything that Clinton endorsers have ever said that Empowerer Feb 2016 #30
Don't forget the assassination remark she made about Obama PonyUp Feb 2016 #23
wow Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #28
beat me to it. thanks for posting that. A must-see. kath Feb 2016 #35
Guess if you want to primary Obama it means you are cheering for Obama. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #27
Head in the Sand Sanders supporters kennetha Feb 2016 #29
Don't you love it - they are SO "loyal" to Obama that they just "NEVER get over" how Hillary Empowerer Feb 2016 #34
Bigotry is not only about Obama, nor did that 2008 shet affect only Obama. nt merrily Feb 2016 #39
Given that blacks overwhelmingly support Clinton, looks like most of us have gotten over it, too Empowerer Feb 2016 #44
I'm not telling anyone that Hillary victimized Obama. I am saying she ran a low down campaign then, merrily Feb 2016 #46
Only a few things kept me from supporting Hillary in this primary (or ever). merrily Feb 2016 #40
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