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Cal33

(7,018 posts)
144. For years the Republicans were trying their best to drag up something about
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

Bill Clinton with which they could find cause to have him impeached. They didn't. Then Banker
Mellon of PA thought of paying private investigators out of his own pocket, and sent them to
Arkansas and dig up dirt of any kind on him. The investigators came across a few women who
claimed to have had sexual relations with Bill, when he was Governor of Arkansas.

Extra-marital sex is not a crime. But the Republicans made use of deceit and tried to obtain
evidence illegally. They succeeded in having a friend of Monica, Linda Tripp, to secretly use
a wire while talking with Monica about her intimate physical details with Bill Clinton. [This
meeting between Monica and Linda took place in Maryland, and in Maryland it is a crime to
secretly tape someone without that person's consent]. The rest is history. Tripp was working
for the federal government. After she lost her job, none of the Corporate Power people would
consider giving Linda a job -- after all she had done for them!! This is so typical of Corporate
Power people. Bush, Jr. cut down on spending for injured veterans. Correct? And it was his
war to begin with. That's gratitude for you! Republicans try to take everything, and give you
nothing in return.

What the GOP wouldn't do to impeach any president who isn't one of their own! They have
tried to impeach Obama, too. I'll bet they are still trying. And they will do the same to any
and every other president who isn't a Republican.

As for extra-marital sex, Alfred Kinsey's "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" said that
around 60% of males admitted to having had it, and his later "Sexual Behavior in the Human
Female" reported that some 40% of women admitted to it. Many of our earlier presidents
were known to have done the same thing. It's just that the news media avoided discussing
such a topic during those earlier times. They had more respect for privacy then.

I think it was the Republicans who brought out this topic right into the open, when they
were trying to find something to impeach Clinton with. Even then, they did not succeed.
They could only accuse him of having lied about sex under oath. And he was found
"Not Guilty."

If you think Bill should have been made to pay for it somehow, he already has. Just think
of that huge and prolonged trial, and all of it reported on TV. And what about all the
other presidents right up to Jefferson, who had fathered several illegitimate children with
his female slaves?

I think we Americans do have some kind of "official" sexual hang-ups. Europeans wonder
how come we are so hung up about the sexual lives of our presidents. Has our sexual
maturity been arrested at stage of adolescents, who are wondering about the sexual lives
of their parents?

Elisabeth Kübler-Ross was really on to something! Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #1
Good one! livetohike Feb 2016 #4
I think anyone with a sense of decency would leave out this topic altogether. I am Cal33 Feb 2016 #85
This is a serious election Politicalboi Feb 2016 #107
You can't seriously believe... dchill Feb 2016 #128
For years the Republicans were trying their best to drag up something about Cal33 Feb 2016 #144
Decency Evidently Is Looked Down Upon Here noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #168
LOL Let's riot Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #5
Snort. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #42
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #2
Oh Snap! Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #3
the media treated Lewinsky unfairly. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #6
Hillary wasn't the only one excusing his behavior Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #7
I doubt Hillary was excusing his behavior behind closed doors. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #8
I didn't excuse his behavior but I didn't think he should have been impeached over it... CTyankee Feb 2016 #25
The president should not be impeached for having sex with his interns? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #27
Well, that's what Republicans believe. Not Democrats. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #62
Of course not cali Feb 2016 #70
What should happen? White House orgies? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #72
Lewinsky was an adult, not some helpless child. randome Feb 2016 #105
It's not OK for the president of the USA to have sex with his interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #131
So FDR should have been impeached? okasha Feb 2016 #183
The president shouldn't be having sex with his young interns. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #184
So times have changed, okasha Feb 2016 #188
You're twisting yourself into pretzels to defend Clinton. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #189
Wrong on all counts. okasha Feb 2016 #192
She made her own choice but SHE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #194
If you were there melman Feb 2016 #214
I wasn't literally there. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #216
No melman Feb 2016 #220
That's true but I didn't know her Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #222
You were not there treestar Feb 2016 #237
Which I don't believe for a minute treestar Feb 2016 #236
Yes she did. She knew he was married. treestar Feb 2016 #235
No, but the president should be excoriated for his behavior. It was all on him, to be sure. CTyankee Feb 2016 #148
Of course not melman Feb 2016 #213
Thank you JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #59
she knew he had a pattern of using his power to exploit women loyalsister Feb 2016 #71
thank you. Completely agree. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #86
Monica Lewinsky is a lot of things. vdogg Feb 2016 #156
I doubt it - he's an attractive man treestar Feb 2016 #238
the idea that Lewinski was trashed by Hillary is ridiculous dsc Feb 2016 #9
This is definitely a sign of desperation. JTFrog Feb 2016 #10
Times have changed. Today a president could never get away with having sex with interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #12
Go back to those days? JTFrog Feb 2016 #16
Now a Clinton supporter is saying it's OK for the president to have sex with his interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #65
Huge desperation... SidDithers Feb 2016 #33
Heaven forbid! Bill Clinton had consensual sex with another woman. Let's punish Hillary n/t Onlooker Feb 2016 #11
The president of the US should not have sex with a 22 year old intern Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #14
Get away with? JTFrog Feb 2016 #17
Democrats rallied to defend the president. They saved his ass Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #19
What do you think should have happened? n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #20
The president should keep his hands off the interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #37
What do you think should have happened? JTFrog Feb 2016 #38
We shouldn't have defended him Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #40
What do you think should have happened? JTFrog Feb 2016 #43
What would happen if president Obama got caught having sex with an intern? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #46
Yea, I'm done here. You are just gonna weasle around this. JTFrog Feb 2016 #47
Deflection treestar Feb 2016 #58
"Obama would have to pay for that at 10 times the rate Clinton did." Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #73
Why won't you answer the simple question? "What do you think should have happened?"...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #68
Call the Sex Police! randome Feb 2016 #108
He should have done what millions are now doing...owned up and started counseling on why it's libdem4life Feb 2016 #125
He should have resigned 1939 Feb 2016 #129
Yeah, I Don't Get That Either.... The_Counsel Feb 2016 #233
Really? treestar Feb 2016 #26
Actually I think the people to blame is Bill Clinton and anyone who defended him Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #198
She is just as much to blame as he treestar Feb 2016 #207
She didn't do anything wrong though. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #218
An employer had sex with a subordinate employee SwampG8r Feb 2016 #39
Yeah. It's called sex. randome Feb 2016 #110
No, it's predatory sex. It's fueled first by power. It isn't the sex...it's the misuse of power. libdem4life Feb 2016 #127
That's the essence of this issue Fairgo Feb 2016 #161
If I were Monica, I would have burned the dress. :) nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #172
OMG! It's like this is a Freeperville post! 66 dmhlt Feb 2016 #13
+ 1000 BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #66
What's next? A picture of the blue dress? Disgraceful! NT Adrahil Feb 2016 #15
Actually it's more disgraceful to defend the POTUS having sex with 22 year old interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #18
22 year olds are over the age of consent treestar Feb 2016 #24
The president shouldn't have sex with 20 year old interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #95
It was wrong because he was married treestar Feb 2016 #210
It makes a political difference though Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #221
Still not Hillary's fault. treestar Feb 2016 #228
You're Right. S/He shouldn't. But Not for the Reasons You Think. The_Counsel Feb 2016 #234
Awwww zappaman Feb 2016 #21
how does the Bernie campaign benefit from this? treestar Feb 2016 #22
She was not the victim? Really? Bill was the victim and Monica is a huge what? What has she? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #30
Monica was 22 and wanted to mess around with Bill Clinton treestar Feb 2016 #34
Yeah it's called abuse of power. The most powerful man in the world took advantage of Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #36
Which has nothing to do with Hillary treestar Feb 2016 #41
Bill Clinton is a top Clinton adviser and surrogate Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #45
True liberals would not care about that personal stuff treestar Feb 2016 #48
It's not personal. It's an abuse of power and authority for the president to fondle the interns. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #50
I think it was bad judgment but not an "abuse of authority" treestar Feb 2016 #51
"Both Bill and Monica are stupid for what they did." Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #53
so wait treestar Feb 2016 #54
Do you think the president of the US should be allowed to have sex with his interns ? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #55
If he wants to and they want to. treestar Feb 2016 #57
You guys should campaign on that Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #61
it's not a relevant issue to this campaign treestar Feb 2016 #90
"Monica is an adult and as wrong as Bill" - Disgusting Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #75
making out Monica, party to adultery as victim treestar Feb 2016 #91
America was the victim. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #93
Don't see the price treestar Feb 2016 #114
No she isn't. Se saved the dress and gave it to Janet Reno IIRC.. nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #225
They were getting ready to smear her big time speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #104
keeping the dress shows she was no victim treestar Feb 2016 #115
As if it's any of your business what people do with their dresses. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #186
hello Monica and Bill are guilty and Hillary is not treestar Feb 2016 #208
America is the victim of a president who couldn't keep his hands off the interns Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #219
Bullshit! rusty fender Feb 2016 #126
If Monica had been a man? treestar Feb 2016 #209
You know what I mean rusty fender Feb 2016 #224
Nobody will ever know treestar Feb 2016 #226
Hmmm. Cheesy. betsuni Feb 2016 #23
That was amazing Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #80
She's lucky speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #28
She didn't "have to put up with it" loyalsister Feb 2016 #94
You hit the nail on the head Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #133
+1 nt laundry_queen Feb 2016 #151
I wonder how Hillary feels about sexual abuse in the work jwirr Feb 2016 #190
Holy shit, I guess when you have nothing left you pull out the blue dress. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #29
I remember when Barbara Walters grilled Monica on TV about that Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #79
I honestly could give a shit less that she gave him a blow job. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #82
It's not OK for the president to have sex with his 20 year old interns. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #84
Well we both know that it could be perceived as possible giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #88
It cost the country a lot. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #89
Hail Mary KingFlorez Feb 2016 #31
Fucking Clinton heads still defending presidential head. Fuck the 90s Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #32
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #35
For real. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #52
I won't talk bad about either of the victims in this situation. Nt NCTraveler Feb 2016 #44
The whole country was the victim as we lost years making excuses for the presidential BJ Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #49
Harsh, but correct HassleCat Feb 2016 #56
Holy crap. Your whole post is disgusting and offensive. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #60
Victim shaming requires a victim HassleCat Feb 2016 #96
Do you think it's OK for the president to have sex with young interns? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #97
Of course not HassleCat Feb 2016 #98
are you Monica? treestar Feb 2016 #211
Not done dragging her reputation through the mud yet huh? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #223
She's the adulterer treestar Feb 2016 #227
Dayum. That just sounds so horrible to my ears. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #232
That happened so long ago eilen Feb 2016 #63
Well, now I know Hillary is winning. Metric System Feb 2016 #64
I WAS Paula Jones Dems to Win Feb 2016 #67
Thank you so much. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #69
I was also assaulted by the boss/owner of the bar I tended when I was just old enough polly7 Feb 2016 #74
I agree xloadiex Feb 2016 #92
Lucky then that he's not running, eh? nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #155
Running or not xloadiex Feb 2016 #165
Very interesting to listen to her speak out on the impact of Cyber Bullying 2banon Feb 2016 #76
This right wing blather doesn't help Bernie win. cry baby Feb 2016 #77
Why anyone is still defending Bill Clinton's sexcapades 20 years later is beyond me Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #78
Where, in my post, did I defend what Bill did? cry baby Feb 2016 #81
In this case Bill Clinton's victim is the American people Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #83
That canned statement doesn't answer my question...and cry baby Feb 2016 #100
I don't know how many affairs Bill Clinton had or why she decided to stay with him Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #101
Doesn't matter. Are you a robot? I'm not sure I'm discussing cry baby Feb 2016 #103
Human being here. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #141
I think Bill hurt the cause 840high Feb 2016 #87
I believe so, too. nt cry baby Feb 2016 #99
bringing it up 20 years later is the issue treestar Feb 2016 #118
Facts are facts. What happened happened. The 90s are over and we don't want to go back. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #122
The flaw in your correct analysis is that not everyone that claims FSogol Feb 2016 #130
For sure! This person/bot is not helping to sell the great things cry baby Feb 2016 #137
It's fair game and factual. pinebox Feb 2016 #150
Evidently a few misguided individuals agree with you. cry baby Feb 2016 #162
RW crapola? It's FACTS pinebox Feb 2016 #166
Yup, Bill screwed up. Fact. That has nothing to do with this primary cry baby Feb 2016 #169
Yes it does pinebox Feb 2016 #170
Like I said...right wing crapola. nt cry baby Feb 2016 #171
RW is good at ignoring facts pinebox Feb 2016 #173
Why? I have you to remind me of their main talking points. nt cry baby Feb 2016 #174
fail pinebox Feb 2016 #178
It's you that fails...fails to understand what Bernie is all about. cry baby Feb 2016 #191
We're talking about how Clinton had sex with a White House intern and the liberals who defend it. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #200
yes you are olddots Feb 2016 #248
nice try Skippy olddots Feb 2016 #246
I'll see Hillary in that Special Place in Hell one day Dems to Win Feb 2016 #102
As a woman who has been in Hillary's shoes - I won't go there BUT I will say the difference between jillan Feb 2016 #106
Bill Clinton didn't teach this girl about oral sex, the Republicans and Ken Starr did. Beacool Feb 2016 #109
Do you think it's OK for the president to have sex with his interns? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #112
This OP is tiresome. Beacool Feb 2016 #113
Don't bother with it then. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #117
Imagine if a republican wins and 840high Feb 2016 #124
So he didn't make it public - is 840high Feb 2016 #123
whether it is or not has nothing to do with Hillary treestar Feb 2016 #116
Amazing how Bernie Sanders is tied to his friends Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #119
I don't even know what cornel west's behavior is treestar Feb 2016 #120
The fact is that candidates major supporters do become a poltical issues in and of themselves. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #121
only to Republicans treestar Feb 2016 #140
That's funny because the Clinton campaign attacked Obama for attending black liberation sermons Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #142
The 90s still wants its issue back treestar Feb 2016 #143
Actually the issue is that times have changed since the 1990s Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #147
Very relevant. It was Bill's 'issues' that made him compromised, we got DOMA to prove how holy Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #135
yep Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #136
I just remember thinking artislife Feb 2016 #158
cough cough pinebox Feb 2016 #167
The 90s called. They want their video back. Beacool Feb 2016 #195
This is HISTORY! It haooened a LONG TIME AGO! napi21 Feb 2016 #111
+1 treestar Feb 2016 #145
I have a sister who lives in Arkansas. It was well known that he had security and LEOs libdem4life Feb 2016 #132
What an important talk. God, I can't even imagine what it would have been like to be her. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #134
Don't Flatter Yourself Now Corey_Baker08 Feb 2016 #138
ok that was funny Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #139
Please.. Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #146
I completely disagree. The president should not have sex with his interns. That's my bottom line. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #157
I thought this was about the so-called abuse Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #164
Note: The title of the article has changed on the Guardian Website Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #149
I think Hillary can be forgiven vdogg Feb 2016 #152
Of course but then Bill will be back in the White House too and he has this record Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #154
so what? He'll only be the First Lady. treestar Feb 2016 #212
He'll be in fundraising, politics and policy. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #217
This is a CLEAR sign of DESPERATION. fun n serious Feb 2016 #153
Not really. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #163
It seems some Bernie supporters Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #159
That's really not the message here at all Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #160
Don't Vote for Bernie Cornell West Supports Him noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #175
I have not seen anyone make that argument Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #182
thanks for your response noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #197
I can't say for sure Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #199
Thank you again noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #203
Not at all Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #204
Me Too noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #205
This is beneath contempt, even by the low standards of the Bernie Bloc. (nt) Paladin Feb 2016 #176
If you can't handle Cheese Sandwich how you gonna handle Trump? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #177
LOL! Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #185
And with one post, all the otherwise arguable objections from camp HRC to this thread, are negated. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #187
Thanks for giving us the practice treestar Feb 2016 #239
don't be surprised if more Clinton rape accusers emerge Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #240
you think Bernie ones can't treestar Feb 2016 #241
Standards, what standards? Beacool Feb 2016 #196
A blow job is not a constitutional crisis. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #179
Do you think it's the president's private business when he has sex with his interns? Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #180
You talking about Monica-knee-pad Lewinsky? Jitter65 Feb 2016 #206
She blabbed to Linda Tripp who got her in trouble. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #215
What Bill did to that poor girl. He abused his power. bigwillq Feb 2016 #181
So disgusting that the best idea the Democratic Establishment can come up with in 2016 Dems to Win Feb 2016 #193
Of course yes this topic will come up again in the general election Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #201
For some reason, in my head I heard the young Marlon Brando saying Ken Burch Feb 2016 #202
This big Bernie supporter wishes you wouldn't post Duppers Feb 2016 #229
ok I will try to be better Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #231
Very often the anti-Hillary folks on here don't sound any different than FReepers. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #230
nice try Skippy olddots Feb 2016 #247
Camp Sanders has gone the full Free Republic now Tarc Feb 2016 #242
Camp sanders is a myth Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #243
People still amped up about Lewinsky aren't worth listening to Tarc Feb 2016 #245
And this is the anchor chained around her anke that will forever follow her. Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #244
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