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DirkGently

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38. Hillary Clinton is a "mind conservative" proponent of "Safe legal and RARE."
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton is a conservative, period. She is not a right-winger, or a religious fanatic, or any of the other full-on crazy things that American conservatives have glommed onto of late, but she is, as she has said herself,

"a mind conservative and a heart liberal".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

What she is telling us is that, when she thinks about it, conservatives are right, but that she concedes that philosophy can be softened here and there for the sake of sentiment.

That is wrong. Conservatives are not right, not in general, not on most things. Not, especially, in the area of women's reproductive rights and abortion. She believes abortion is "sad," and "tragic," just as the worst conservatives wrongly contend. It is in her favor that that she is less willing to limit women's rights in this area, but her "mind," is conservative and wrong.

We can all recognize that abortion in many ways represents a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women.

I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected

http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/08/hillary-clinton-isnt-particularly-good-for-feminism/

Her mind is likewise conservative on war and the Middle East, taking cues from Kissinger, the failed architect of American interventionism quite rightly considered criminal by many. He told her Iraq needed to be "humiliated," so here we are -- thousands of American and millions of Iraqi lives shattered, a trillion or so spent, and -- surprise -- more instability and violence in the region than ever.

Her mind is conservative as to Wall Street and financial reform. Those speech transcripts, when they inevitably do come out, probably won't show anything we don't already know, but they will almost certainly confirm the kind of "mind conservative" thinking she had going as to the mortgage crisis as it was starting to emerge in 2007:

“Now these economic problems are certainly not all Wall Street’s fault – not by a long shot,” Clinton said early in the speech.

Clinton’s NASDAQ address amounted to essentially asking the financiers assembled to take voluntary action or else she would “consider legislation” to stop banks from kicking families out of their homes. But early on in the speech, Clinton placed equal blame for the subprime mortgage crisis on low-income homeowners alongside Wall Street.

“Homebuyers who paid extra fees to avoid documenting their income should have known they were getting in over their heads,” Clinton said.

http://usuncut.com/politics/video-surfaces-of-hillary-clinton-blaming-homeowners-for-financial-crisis/

Hillary can be a conservative all she wants. It is one point of view. But sanding off the rough edges of today's extremist Republicans does not make her "progressive."

And it does not make her right.

More nuggets from the say-anything-to-get-elected candidate. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #1
Yup, nuggets Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #4
Yep,and the reason most Americans are sick of politics-as-usual. virgogal Feb 2016 #52
WOMEN... HilLary Willing To... THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS!!!! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #2
To quote Yoda: RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #29
And wreck the bus with women in it! ebayfool Feb 2016 #64
Aside from her own personal ambition, is there ANYTHING she would NOT compromise on? Vote2016 Feb 2016 #3
Well, seeing as how she gave her firstborn to the banksters, I'm guessing no! n/t Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #21
Ok, I lol'd. Kentonio Feb 2016 #27
Yay! Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #30
ha! Vote2016 Feb 2016 #31
LOL n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #32
I don't trust her. Never will. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #5
Tell me again why women are supposed to support her? Vinca Feb 2016 #6
On this alone JackInGreen Feb 2016 #7
The unsaid truth is, it is an economic issue. safeinOhio Feb 2016 #8
In cynical moments I think the 'culture wars' are a smoke screen Matariki Feb 2016 #56
American people are richly indoctrinated into the myth of compromise HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #9
Amazing how Hillary can come up with more reasons NOT to vote for her all by herself! Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #10
more pandering to the center restorefreedom Feb 2016 #11
This is not pandering to the center RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #24
that could be true, but she has zero shot of getting righties restorefreedom Feb 2016 #36
I'm To The Point Where... chwaliszewski Feb 2016 #12
She has NO core beliefs... just ambition. AzDar Feb 2016 #13
She has one core belief. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #23
Did she mention an exception in the case of rape or incest? democrank Feb 2016 #14
I have looked and looked carefully, but I can't seem to find it! A Simple Game Feb 2016 #15
She'll probably want to build a wall Generic Other Feb 2016 #17
W. a moat and chock-ful o' gators. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #34
The topic is LATE TERM abortion Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #16
You are correct, and will be ignored jberryhill Feb 2016 #53
Any woman getting a late term abortion has a damn good reason for doing so. Matariki Feb 2016 #57
Sure Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #60
+1 one_voice Feb 2016 #61
Suppose she changed her mind and it's week 36? Reter Mar 2016 #73
Show your work! Late term abortions are a part, not the whole, of the discussion. kristopher Feb 2016 #65
She is furthering the RW narrative on abortion loyalsister Feb 2016 #66
Give me the name of one other country proposing a constitutional amendment-- eridani Feb 2016 #71
Spin dpatbrown Feb 2016 #18
You must be a glutton for punishment. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #35
This looks like Hillary is going to adopt Obama's method of negotiating with the right wing. Gary 50 Feb 2016 #19
Hillary is wrong again. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #20
Q: How can you tell if Hillary is lying? RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #22
makes me very sad. sad people don't fight. maybe that's the logic? nt floppyboo Feb 2016 #25
You're using RealClearPolitcs as your "source" ... Really? REALLY??? 66 dmhlt Feb 2016 #26
it's an MSNBC video interview of Hillary lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #39
Yep, she's going to be right there fighting for women. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #28
She'll "compomise" anything as long as it fits into her ambition. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #33
"...if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction...." blackspade Feb 2016 #37
Hillary Clinton is a "mind conservative" proponent of "Safe legal and RARE." DirkGently Feb 2016 #38
The definition of a republican lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #40
Hillary is on the right. Republicans are off the cliff. DirkGently Feb 2016 #42
by the way.. how is the detective agency? lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #45
I try not to panic, and remember the DirkGently Feb 2016 #46
you are indeed a cool and froody dude. lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #47
Precisely. DirkGently Feb 2016 #69
FYI Hillary was rated the 10th most liberal Senator in Congress redstateblues Feb 2016 #41
On a scale including rightwing fanatics? DirkGently Feb 2016 #43
Red-baiting, anti-choice, lots of fun from the "third way" TBF Feb 2016 #44
She's getting her boatload of compromises ready to go. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #48
^ Wilms Feb 2016 #49
Fuck.That. Iggo Feb 2016 #50
Hey hellary Faux pas Feb 2016 #51
All her positions are for sale. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #54
And yet the Supreme Court is supposed to be a primary reason to vote for her. arcane1 Feb 2016 #55
On every side of every progressive issue for thirty years. earthside Feb 2016 #58
The Great Compromiser? curiouso Feb 2016 #59
Nothing, but blah, blah, blah............. Beacool Feb 2016 #62
So? Why does that make ANY constitutional amendment restricting abortion OK? n/t eridani Feb 2016 #72
A constitutional restriction? She's open to a constitutional restriction? ebayfool Feb 2016 #63
C'mon, she didn't really say this. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #67
Nice job Planned Parenthood and NARAL Bernblu Feb 2016 #68
she counts on us being too embarrassed to say anything about NARAL and PP lest MisterP Feb 2016 #70
kick amborin Apr 2016 #74
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