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Hortensis

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19. Circular reasoning in that last, and apparently access sealed.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

The only reason I answer is the notion the notion that not going to war is a core liberal value. Wish it was, but it is not. Being warlike is wired into the human psyche, only varying in intensity, and imagining one cannot be a liberal and support war is a mistake.

Not warring for profit, for national supremacy, or to impose our ways on others is a core liberal value.

Liberals by nature are far more accepting of "others" and far more likely to choose to trade ideas with others and resolve conflicts by negotiation.

Conservatives are wired to view "outsiders" with suspicion and fear and tend to believe vanquishing and conquering them is required for their own "protection," and for many national and private profit and empowerment are also very worthy goals.

Liberals are different all rgiht, but even liberals are not completely free of that unfortunate tendency. We will do war also if we decide it's necessary.

In all fairness Zambero Feb 2016 #1
I am not so concerned about the Goldwater comments, so much as the declaration of conservatism. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #3
Because Hillary's a liberal. Openness to ideas is a Hortensis Feb 2016 #7
So her beliefs are rooted in conservatism because she's really a liberal? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #9
Well, read again. I'm trying to explain something you Hortensis Feb 2016 #12
Oh I completely agree that compromise is necessary and that far-left liberalism isn't the future JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #14
Circular reasoning in that last, and apparently access sealed. Hortensis Feb 2016 #19
Yes, the Iraq War was purely a war of profit and national supremacy. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #20
Hortensis's Dictionary: Liberal (n) - A conservative who compromises. See Clinton, Hillary. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #38
lol, no kidding. Marr Feb 2016 #23
Her satananic roots have made her a better christian too whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #31
LOL kristopher Feb 2016 #34
Can you name one single conservative idea that you believe to be productive? Zorra Feb 2016 #13
I can, but none would be in the modern party platfrom nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #18
Well, for both, many Pubs supported FDR's New Deal. Hortensis Feb 2016 #21
It's true, less than 4 years of the New Deal cured some republicans of the notion Zorra Feb 2016 #43
Excellent points, Zorra. Regarding moving to the left, Hortensis Feb 2016 #47
Open mindedness and conservatism don't go hand and hand NWCorona Feb 2016 #17
Of course it's unfathomable to you and me but Hillary really is a progressive, moderate Gary 50 Feb 2016 #39
There is nothing honorable about conservatism, and history shows that it Zorra Feb 2016 #6
We all feel that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #2
She is a corporate and militant Democrat. Some people like that. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #4
#whichhillary. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #5
Yup. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #8
She cares about no one and nothing but herself. senz Feb 2016 #22
She grew up with old style politics and is still practicing old style politics. oldandhappy Feb 2016 #10
I gotta credit her for speaking this plainly. Orsino Feb 2016 #11
That explains a lot of things about her. azmom Feb 2016 #15
She is not saying she is a conservative Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #16
'Hard work' is a conservative thing, huh? Marr Feb 2016 #24
Obviously not Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #33
She doesn't have to say it. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #35
That is a one sided Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #45
She is saying, "I AM very proud that I was a Goldwater girl" Herman4747 Feb 2016 #37
Sickening! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #25
Shocker!111! merrily Feb 2016 #26
Credit goes to my twitter feed, but thanks! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #27
Nostalgia for what never was HassleCat Feb 2016 #28
this is getting tiresome. I hope Hillary sows up the nomination next week. MariaThinks Feb 2016 #29
Thank you, Jon saidsimplesimon Feb 2016 #30
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #32
Shhh -- that's GENERAL ELECTION Hillary; we're still supposed to be quoting PRIMARY ELECTION Hillary Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #36
Yeah, but she was a child then. Only 49. valerief Feb 2016 #40
Hillary is Part of the Problem, NOT the Solution! mckara Feb 2016 #41
Interesting thread Duppers Feb 2016 #42
No kidding. nt TBF Feb 2016 #44
really not much of a criticism there 0rganism Feb 2016 #46
Goldwater is totally irrelevant. Goldman-Sachs is not n/t eridani Feb 2016 #48
Well, THIS TIME HILLARY'S BEING HONEST. n/t Herman4747 Feb 2016 #49
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