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ccinamon

(1,696 posts)
41. Yes, I have thought of the ramifications.....
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

of voting 3rd party over Clinton if Bernie is not our nominee.

NOTE to jury: I'm honestly answering the questions....if you feel my answer needs to be hidden, make sure to hide the OP as well.

In no particular order:

1) We've had 30+ years of democrats caving, conceding, and rarely fighting for liberal values and they are now reaping the results of ignoring the core principles/morals of MOST democrats and moving rightward and co-opting republican stances. I've been yelling about this issue for over 20 years

2) The PTB in the democratic party knew 8+ years ago (with OWS and the election of Obama) that liberal voices were getting stronger and louder and they had a chance to engage, listen, and vote appropriately --- they refused/ignored it --- and this is the result. I have seen them support the more conservative democratic candidates over the more liberal way too often.

3) Sometimes you have to let the forest burn to make room for new growth. And if the country needs to get "worse" under a Trump/republicans to wake the lazy asses up and get involved in their future, then so be it. Why should MY VOTE cover their sorry ass???

4) Those of us who REFUSE to do the insanity thing of continuing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils are not the reason the republicans may win the WH in 2016, the DNC and their corporate masters are the reason for ignoring the liberal voices for the past 30 years.

5) Want democrats to vote, make sure there is someone there to vote for. Stop taking my money and giving help ONLY to candidates YOU deem viable (also think of DWS and her support of republicans over democrats).

6) Saw a great analogy today: we are heading towards a cliff and there are 3 choices: 1) stop before going over the edge (Bernie) ; go over the edge at 50mph (Hillary) ; go over the edge at 65mph (republicans). With options 2 and 3 your chances of survival is slim, only with option 1 do you have a decent chance of surviving...this is where I feel we are today.

7) After awhile incrementalism and/or the status quo doesn't work and is no longer a viable option...like now. Now is the time for radical change and putting people before profits and corporations.

Yeah, some of the above seems contradictory, but depending on how I'm feeling, all or parts of the above is why I'm not interested in voting for the status quo candidates.

BTW, Not all people are qualified for all careers...I don't have the tact or patience to put up with stupidity, which is why I have not run for office.

Hope this answer helps you understand!

Look a little further out mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #1
But is she any more than him? scscholar Feb 2016 #36
Any more than which him? Bernie? Bernie is honest & trustworthy. Hillary lies and panders. peacebird Feb 2016 #201
Think there's a combination of Green Party people, brand new voters, a few non-political types kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #62
Nailed it Lizz612 Feb 2016 #90
+10 840high Feb 2016 #65
yes - Merryland Feb 2016 #177
Thanks, but I have considered it. Barack_America Feb 2016 #2
So... I'm curious. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #5
Wouldn't it be my only choice? Barack_America Feb 2016 #15
I'm not sure I understand your question. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #19
There would only be a choice of Republicans on the ballot. Barack_America Feb 2016 #22
Awww... I see. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #29
There would be a Green Party candidate on there, too. artislife Feb 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #55
There is no reason to take the bait. Your vote is your business. merrily Feb 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #86
It's a potential violation of the Terms of Service. There's supposedly more merrily Feb 2016 #88
Thank you! Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #113
You're welcome, but you could also reword. merrily Feb 2016 #116
No biggins. I'm letting this place get to me Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #118
I've put a whole bunch of them on ignore. Merryland Feb 2016 #179
Yes, that makes sense to me. Thanks for the input. n/t Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #56
Many of us have decided we will not vote for the lesser of evils and yes we do have somewhere haikugal Feb 2016 #136
I've heard this argument before. Frances Feb 2016 #202
I was one who warned against Reagan..nice try. haikugal Feb 2016 #203
and a write-in space in almost all states. Merryland Feb 2016 #178
Stop baiting people into posting things that could get them hides. Thanks in advance. merrily Feb 2016 #77
It depends entirely on your state. hifiguy Feb 2016 #3
Understandable. I'm asking about things beyond the primary. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #11
This is nothing like 1972 or 1980. And fyi, Mondale was a moderate, despite merrily Feb 2016 #83
Not Reagan? Even Massachusetts went for Reagan and it went McGovern in 1972, merrily Feb 2016 #81
Nope we went for our home state son, hifiguy Feb 2016 #93
Ah, favorite son. Good for your state! Massachusetts fell for the Gipper, but merrily Feb 2016 #94
It doesn't show on my phone hifiguy Feb 2016 #95
The fucking planet will NOT support life if we don't do something now. What the hell is onecaliberal Feb 2016 #4
Wow....thank you! Punkingal Feb 2016 #7
Calm down... Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #8
Enjoy my dust bin. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #9
That seems like an odd response. el_bryanto Feb 2016 #17
I'm very confused by that kind of vitriol. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #20
Hillary is going to push fracking and more war... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #43
EXACTLY! nt ccinamon Feb 2016 #53
As sure as eggs is eggs hifiguy Feb 2016 #97
Please name all the progressive things Bill Clinton accomplished in office, other than the merrily Feb 2016 #92
Thank you onecaliberal! NEOhiodemocrat Feb 2016 #60
Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #67
+1 merrily Feb 2016 #89
I always wondered why they called that procedure fracking. Hatchling Feb 2016 #120
I never did. Did they use "fracking" as a substitute for the f word? merrily Feb 2016 #121
No, it's definitely slang for "fracturing", the means by which they expose the resources desired. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #127
That is exactly how I used it upthread (jokingly), but I got a reply about Battlestar Galactica merrily Feb 2016 #130
Yes! Hatchling Feb 2016 #132
Thank you! merrily Feb 2016 #133
Boom!! haikugal Feb 2016 #138
another loyalty pledge post. Trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #6
How is it a pledge? Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #10
Please see your replies 5 and 29 and my reply 77. merrily Feb 2016 #96
There sure have been a bunch of those today, all wrapped in different packaging. djean111 Feb 2016 #12
Why should today be different from any day in the last 2 or 3 years? merrily Feb 2016 #102
authoritarian mindsets Merryland Feb 2016 #182
Uh... bvf Feb 2016 #13
Loyalty oath time already? farleftlib Feb 2016 #14
Best to ignore them. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #16
I was hoping for a discussion. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #23
Since the start of this primary, this has NOT been a Democratic board. nt kjones Feb 2016 #26
It certainly seems that way. n/t Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #28
It's just an old discussion Bradical79 Feb 2016 #30
Not everyone is on DU 24/7 and participated in said discussion(s)... Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #33
Dinnae matter. DUers who have already responded to thousands of OPs like yours merrily Feb 2016 #85
i suspect a significant number of the more extreme drray23 Feb 2016 #31
Handing Trump the Presidency -- Precisely! Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #35
If that's your concern then why are you supporting a losing candidate? She will lose. haikugal Feb 2016 #139
Yours is the 8 millionth post on the subject. jeff47 Feb 2016 #44
STANDING O!!! ccinamon Feb 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Feb 2016 #104
A Republican is going to be President eventually. Kall Feb 2016 #112
I want to bear the children of this post, up to and including the last line. merrily Feb 2016 #141
Very well stated. n/t Beartracks Feb 2016 #152
Why don't you vote for OUR candidate in the primary? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #47
Why don't you respect others' choices? Lizz612 Feb 2016 #111
Oh, so you want us to respect your choice... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #129
Disrespect Lizz612 Feb 2016 #171
So "respectfully" = "give me a pony"? ebayfool Feb 2016 #150
Oh so I'm part of the precipitate? Lizz612 Feb 2016 #172
You're the one that threw out "Why don't you just give me a pony?" while mumbling about respect. ebayfool Feb 2016 #174
Mumbling? Lizz612 Feb 2016 #181
LOL! You're alright! ebayfool Feb 2016 #193
I get that ... and good luck. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #74
If you think this is about hurt feelings and/or disappointment, you ain't been listening. merrily Feb 2016 #107
Why listen to republican-enablers? It's pointless, there is no common ground to be found with seaglass Feb 2016 #188
Fine. Don't listen. Just don't make up sh*t. merrily Feb 2016 #190
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #18
No one I interact with daily in the meat world intends to. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #72
Please see Replies 79 and 88 on this thread. Thank you. merrily Feb 2016 #108
Life for me has been OK since 2010 katmondoo Feb 2016 #21
That's the way I see it as well. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #25
The irony of people complaining about loyalty oaths while seemingly taking one for Bernie. kjones Feb 2016 #24
Um, you might want to look up farleftlib Feb 2016 #27
Hmm... kjones Feb 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Feb 2016 #98
"seemingly" taking an oath? LOL! o.k. nt merrily Feb 2016 #100
You're right... kjones Feb 2016 #134
Oh, that's merely false. I would have stuck with funny if I were you. merrily Feb 2016 #135
Well, you can lead a bro to water but you can't make 'em drink. kjones Feb 2016 #140
Funny to false to non sequitur. You should have quit while you were almost ahead. merrily Feb 2016 #142
Sexist? You'll have to explain that one. kjones Feb 2016 #154
No, not self-explanatory. merrily Feb 2016 #157
Agree... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #32
here's the thing EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #37
That makes no sense. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #38
if you thought... EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #40
+1000 HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #49
Well Said! ccinamon Feb 2016 #51
Carrying about America more is precisely why I DON'T want a Republican in office. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #52
nonsense EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #58
Distrusted by the majority of Americans? Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #63
It doesn't matter if it's correct, it's the perception that counts farleftlib Feb 2016 #73
I'm not EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #76
No, you're wrong. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #78
That's correct - significantly more people distrust Clinton than voted for Bush EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #80
MOST Excellent reply!!! ccinamon Feb 2016 #64
Then give people a reason to go out and vote! Beowulf Feb 2016 #66
YES! ccinamon Feb 2016 #68
The Party needs to learn not to constantly crap on the left wing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #75
That's a problem with a broad coalition party. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #149
I agree with most of that. Where I disagree is the line Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #162
Actually in political science theory it is called punishign the party nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #106
This EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #189
We have a democracy? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #191
Absolutely EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #192
By the way this might be of more than passing interest to you nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #194
I saw that EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #195
Lovely grenade toss my friend nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #196
it's a fun passtime... EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #197
EdwardBernays never said he wouldn't vote. merrily Feb 2016 #122
well said. Merryland Feb 2016 #183
Consider this... OZi Feb 2016 #39
STANDING O!!!! ccinamon Feb 2016 #48
You assume I see either Democrat as bad or scary. I don't. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #50
And that is why the party is failing to earn my support. n/t OZi Feb 2016 #71
Where in that post did you see any assumptions at all about you? merrily Feb 2016 #123
But the Republicans a Democratic President will nominate to the Supreme Court are better than the merrily Feb 2016 #115
Yes, I have thought of the ramifications..... ccinamon Feb 2016 #41
A great quote, forget who said it... Merryland Feb 2016 #185
Arrrrgh will you allow democracy to go ahead in peace and stop?! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #45
In my closet I have a Howard Dean tshirt. Codeine Feb 2016 #46
That's gonna be a great feeling for you! I know how you feel! Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #54
Maintaining The Status Quo For Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Is The Limit Of HRC's Vision cantbeserious Feb 2016 #57
That is how I see her as well. ccinamon Feb 2016 #61
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #69
I think her vision is to be the first woman President. merrily Feb 2016 #125
I'm done with the Party in general. It no longer represent my point of view. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #70
EXACTLY!!!!! nt ccinamon Feb 2016 #84
I am not a DEM, I have nothing in common with these Hillary supporters m-lekktor Feb 2016 #87
Likewise. I'm here because it is (was?) a bastion of progressivism. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #187
I have been considering shit since they started killing our leaders in the 60's SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #82
Either we unite or there needs to be preparing for a Republican president Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #91
Problem is Andy823 Feb 2016 #99
Hillary is an actual Democrat? She's a minion of the 1%. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #103
There are more than one person who has wealth who are Democrats, Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #126
Hobbit said nothing about her wealth. Look up "minion," or read the post again merrily Feb 2016 #137
she's not one of them. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #161
She was Democrat before her net worth rose, yes she is Democrat. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #167
Corporate D, not an FDR-JFK style D. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #168
Your opinion, and does not mean she isn't Democrat. You don't have any Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #169
Just take at good look at her cronies. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #170
Don't speak for me. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #105
Agreed. Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #114
You start a condescending thread TM99 Feb 2016 #131
You're correct about the condescending nature of the OP. However, I saw no merrily Feb 2016 #146
As you correctly put it -- TM99 Feb 2016 #158
I'd rather shrug with a hug. merrily Feb 2016 #159
Awww....thanks. TM99 Feb 2016 #166
+infinity (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #155
Yes there are RW trolls here, we don't have to follow them, we can still vote Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #124
there is more to progressive-ism than issues Merryland Feb 2016 #186
A luxury Lizz612 Feb 2016 #101
There is an argument that voting LOTE causes more harm in the long run. merrily Feb 2016 #144
Mmm, true Lizz612 Feb 2016 #173
I didn't suggest you think only of the long term or that you vote in any specific way. merrily Feb 2016 #175
Ugh god Lizz612 Feb 2016 #184
Some facts and observations. merrily Feb 2016 #198
My. Vote. Is. my. Business. Period. kath Feb 2016 #109
If we won't address climate change proactively, economic crash will cut carbon emissions Dems to Win Feb 2016 #110
You are making some serious errors in logic. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #117
Let's see, in the last 8 years we let nearly 9 million more Americans fall under the povery line. CentralMass Feb 2016 #119
Failure to unite and elect democrats will produce more living in proverty. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #128
The is one candidate in the race thst is talking about rebuilding this country from the bottom up an CentralMass Feb 2016 #145
I listened again tonight his interview with Chris Matthews, yes he is talking about Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #153
So we should support the candidate that won't even fucking talk about it? jeff47 Feb 2016 #156
He wants more than talk, why do you think he's running for president? /nt RiverLover Feb 2016 #164
I have heard revolution, break up the banks, Medicare for all, free Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #165
LOL! merrily Feb 2016 #147
Vote Democrat in November to keep the fascists out of the White House DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #143
The lesser of two evils argument. Seems it comes every election while the party keeps trending right EndElectoral Feb 2016 #148
As I have said many a time it really doesn't matter for me. Oklahoma is where I vote. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #151
I see you changed your avatar PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #160
The whole point of using the name "New Democrats" was to signify a distinct difference between merrily Feb 2016 #199
Those who want to so easily quit the 'revolution' should read your post and also consider this: randome Feb 2016 #163
So then you would vote for Bernie Sanders then if Hillary loses? INdemo Feb 2016 #176
I will vote for the most progressive candidate on my ballot. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #180
Loyalty Pledge. Trashing Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #200
Locking.. one_voice Feb 2016 #204
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