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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

(73,330 posts)
57. Thank you.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

You are -- as you know, though not everyone here might -- one of the Hillary supporters whom I have the utmost respect for. Thus, in response to this post of your's -- like virtually any -- I have the option of focusing on those areas where we agree, or disagree. But, because you remind me of my two brothers, it's always more fun to debate those differences ......I think that with my brothers, from childhood to old age, arguing is the closest we come to displaying affection (being primarily Irish, you know).

If a person is located inside of a picture frame, my good friend Rubin often said, they cannot, by definition, have an objective viewpoint. Hence, I was able to say, with all humility but utmost certainty, that the Hillary supporters would disagree. And, as your post shows, it cannot be otherwise. This does not make their opinions less important, or less valuable. It merely defines the different potentials.

I am unaware of a single Bernie supporter who believes that what Sanders and Clinton stand for are so similar, that there is no daylight between them. Yet, I respect that you are sincere in believing this. But the only way I could make that case would be if I turned back the clock a few decades, and placed myself back in a law class at the university, where for an exercise, we had to argue that: black and white are opposites; black and white are exactly the same; and there is absolutely no relationship between black and white ......with the goal of having each of our three positions be equally strong.

However, for sake of conversation, if Hillary and Bernie are so similar, the Congress that you believe awaits Hillary must be equally there for President Sanders.

Campaigns vs Movements [View all] H2O Man Feb 2016 OP
You always talk about topics that I had not thought about, my dear H20 Man. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2016 #1
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #9
You are always a learning experience! shraby Feb 2016 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2016 #10
That's why I spent most of my life reading non-fiction. shraby Feb 2016 #101
Thanks H2O Man noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2016 #11
Another excellent thought provoking op, H2O Man! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #4
Well, thank you. H2O Man Feb 2016 #51
That's an excellent essay as usual. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #5
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man Feb 2016 #52
K and R...again cyberswede Feb 2016 #6
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2016 #53
K&R. I agree, well said. ms liberty Feb 2016 #7
Thanks, ms liberty! H2O Man Feb 2016 #54
Mr. Man you have hit the nail squarely on the head! Raster Feb 2016 #8
Well said! H2O Man Feb 2016 #56
Thank you. Raster Feb 2016 #100
Exactly. H2O Man Feb 2016 #115
of course Hillary supporters would disagree bigtree Feb 2016 #12
Thank you. H2O Man Feb 2016 #57
I apologize bigtree Feb 2016 #72
don't want to quibble, but please be clear this isn't "Bernie's Movement" it's OUR movement. 2banon Feb 2016 #75
Interesting. H2O Man Feb 2016 #76
it was a movement and a crisis focused on a central and compelling theme bigtree Feb 2016 #82
To those who H2O Man Feb 2016 #83
I fully agree! bigtree Feb 2016 #89
brilliantly put, as always. as crystal clear as spring H2O! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #13
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Feb 2016 #58
Thank you. A very different perspective and much to think about sarge43 Feb 2016 #14
Thanks, sarge43! H2O Man Feb 2016 #59
This movement has been going on for quite a long time RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #15
Absolutely! H2O Man Feb 2016 #60
Thank you, H2O Man. It clarified what I was thinking but could not articulate. nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #16
Thank you. H2O Man Feb 2016 #61
Yes, I too can recognize an Ancient One. kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #62
Perspective, H2O Man. You really know how to put things in perspective. Martin Eden Feb 2016 #17
Thank you very much! H2O Man Feb 2016 #63
Another wonderfully thoughtful and illuminating piece to think about as I drift off to sleep. PWPippin Feb 2016 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2016 #64
Funny- or not! I drifted off on the wings of a great and inspiring movement. PWPippin Feb 2016 #92
You are The Best! H2O Man Feb 2016 #113
Thank YOU! Onward! Sleep well. PWPippin Feb 2016 #117
Great thread erlewyne Feb 2016 #19
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #65
It's not a movement when they dont show up and vote. Lucinda Feb 2016 #20
Exactly. H2O Man Feb 2016 #66
Since you brought Occupy nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #21
What about WTO Seattle? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #34
Historians will have a healhty discussion, becuase the resistance to the WTO nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #35
Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #67
Now that is a hell of connection that will escape nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #73
Right! H2O Man Feb 2016 #77
And there it is. ejbr Feb 2016 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2016 #68
K&R. Well said. Overseas Feb 2016 #23
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #69
K&R Paka Feb 2016 #24
Thank you, Paka. H2O Man Feb 2016 #70
This is a great short essay. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #25
Well said. H2O Man Feb 2016 #78
Peace warrprayer Feb 2016 #26
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #79
I'm with Lucinda on this . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #27
He has worked with Tim Canova who is currently running for DWS' place. Gregorian Feb 2016 #29
Someone the other night posted a list of Bernie Democrats Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #31
Sabrina did ...... H2O Man Feb 2016 #37
Thanks Mr. Ned and Grego . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #38
See post #37 ..... H2O Man Feb 2016 #80
I find your analysis to be seriously flawed. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #28
Can you explain what we have gained over the last quarter century that you worry will be lost? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #33
Perhaps you didn't read my long post closely. Allow me to digress. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #36
Besides gay marriage none of those things represent gains over the last 25 yrs. tk2kewl Feb 2016 #48
Then please enlighten my assumption. What age group do you belong to ? Trust Buster Feb 2016 #50
Why would it matter? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #55
What is your favorite color? H2O Man Feb 2016 #85
What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #87
Actually, those are H2O Man Feb 2016 #84
Your post make no sense. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #90
You are silly, H2O Man Feb 2016 #91
I'm silly by definition ? Kind have just debunked the purpose of your own OP. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #97
I apologize. H2O Man Feb 2016 #114
You definitely have some ego there. I think I touched a nerve. It's all good though. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #116
My funny bone. H2O Man Feb 2016 #118
Respectfully disagree Mr. Trust . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #39
I was referring to Bernie's legislative agenda. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #40
Ya know, Dick Cheney worked really hard . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #42
I like the idea of Bernie's movement. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #47
Your argument is based on the premise that Bernie would lose the general election. Martin Eden Feb 2016 #71
Right. Exactly right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #81
Kick azmom Feb 2016 #30
Thank you Ali-96 Feb 2016 #32
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2016 #86
Excellent, excellent post, H2OMan. Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #41
Thank you. H2O Man Feb 2016 #93
substance(!) most deserving of k&r iAZZZo Feb 2016 #43
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #94
the "good people" you describe iAZZZo Feb 2016 #96
Wonderful! K&R myrna minx Feb 2016 #44
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #95
Indeed. A campaign is for a person and a campaign mmonk Feb 2016 #45
You are right, mmonk! H2O Man Feb 2016 #104
Kick for Saturday morning crowd.... nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #46
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2016 #105
K&R!!! Once again you read my mind and said it much better than I ever could! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #49
Thank you, my Friend! H2O Man Feb 2016 #106
WORD! 2banon Feb 2016 #74
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Feb 2016 #107
A very insightful analysis, thanks. Zorra Feb 2016 #88
Thanks, Zorra! H2O Man Feb 2016 #108
Kick for more eyeballs --- peaceful thoughts is the base for justice nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #98
I appreciate it! H2O Man Feb 2016 #109
K&R... ngGale Feb 2016 #99
Great! H2O Man Feb 2016 #110
"easier to be patient, when you are comfortable" SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #102
Right. H2O Man Feb 2016 #111
In some ways Bernie is a continuation of Occupy. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #103
Yes, exactly. H2O Man Feb 2016 #112
I was hoping you would post something. FourScore Feb 2016 #119
Thank you. H2O Man Feb 2016 #120
^ Zorra Feb 2016 #121
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