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Kall

(615 posts)
83. No, there are certainly differences.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

For instance, Trump has long called the TPP the lobbyist-written job-sucking trade agreement that it is, and vowed to tear it up. Hillary sold it as the "gold standard" for years, then a few weeks before the Democratic primary said she was against it, while the US Chamber of Commerce says she's just saying that for now, and will revert to being for it later, and she takes no offense at this. So that's curious, and makes one wonder Which Hillary is for and Which Hillary is against.

There are differences the other way too. Mostly in that Hillary is not pandering to intolerance. But the truth is that the Clinton campaign is delighted that Trump is setting the bar so low for you (don't pander to intolerance) that they feel all they have to do is set the bar one inch higher, and they can count on you to ignore what she says on health care (Bernie Sanders' plan for universal Medicare would dismantle Medicare), trade, Iraq, Libya and future foreign invasions as the country keeps right on marching to the right, and that you won't look at her positions and record. It keeps people from thinking about things like the fact that the Republican front-runner has the position on trade that the Democratic Party should have (and at least paid lip service to in the past - watching Hillary and Obama fight over who would renegotiate NAFTA the hardest in 2008 was quite the belly laugh... as to what happened next, well, we all know).

They both lie shamelessly, unless you think Hillary was sleep-deprived for the weeks she told tales of being under Bosnian sniper fire until the video came out. So there are things they have in common.

Since you asked... kracer20 Mar 2016 #1
Bernie and Hillary both believe in small d democratic values and the rule of law. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #2
I'm sorry - what does Hillary believe in? Seriously. NowSam Mar 2016 #10
When has she shown an antipathy to the rule of law and small d democratic values? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #19
She has contempt for the truth NowSam Mar 2016 #22
Motion to strike as non responsive DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #26
She is against liberty and individual freedoms and the right to privacy to name three values WDIM Mar 2016 #61
I support marijuana legalization DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #65
Well obviously prohibition it is an abuse of the rule of law. WDIM Mar 2016 #71
Now that it is pretty clear she is gonna be the nominee, what say you? Gonna continue to attack randys1 Mar 2016 #78
Not clear to me that she will be nominee. NowSam Mar 2016 #81
That's not what I asked. n/t Yavin4 Mar 2016 #3
Wow. That's a whole lotta disconnect. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #6
Sanders and Clinto voted the same in the senate 93% of the time. yardwork Mar 2016 #32
You don't know how that works? 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #43
*this* 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #39
All those post office names mattered pdsimdars Mar 2016 #46
Trump is wealthier but Hillary is working on catching up. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #4
Both do tend to lie during debates. revbones Mar 2016 #5
I think the difference is mostly one of style, and of course Ron Green Mar 2016 #7
Nobody said that ever. But keep the dishonesty going. mmonk Mar 2016 #8
Really? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #9
I do not read responses in threads over generalities in campaigns. mmonk Mar 2016 #14
I read people respond to your prompting for response. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #15
No They aren't the same. Big differences eom Arazi Mar 2016 #11
Of course there's a difference - one is center right and one is far right authoritarian el_bryanto Mar 2016 #12
I think there's a vast difference. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #13
Bigger difference between Sanders and the both of them. NowSam Mar 2016 #16
Many Social Issues they have actually agreed on SheenaR Mar 2016 #17
Lots of differences nichomachus Mar 2016 #18
Sounds like an argument DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #41
Wow, really puts some perspective on it. 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #48
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #53
Are you advocating for Donald Trump here? George II Mar 2016 #75
It's bizarro world when the one running on the repug side is to the left of hillary. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #76
Yes there's a difference. Trump is a bigot and an obvious huckster. Clinton is a smart Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #20
Great answer! n/t ozone_man Mar 2016 #36
her state would disagree PatrynXX Mar 2016 #40
...... Svafa Mar 2016 #70
Oh, there are differences, certainly, Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #21
Good response. 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #50
+100000 katsy Mar 2016 #82
I'm still working on how you can be so in the tank when in 08 you were so harshly critical of her... Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #23
There are quite a few DUers who were rabidly anti-Hillary in 2008, conveniently supporting her now. arcane1 Mar 2016 #28
It's the extreme certainty of polar positions that I find to be stunning, also this crazed demand Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Mar 2016 #55
It's interesting, isn't it? Kall Mar 2016 #80
This aint '08. It's '16. Hillary is the best candidate out there, not Bernie. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #30
We all know what year this is Yavin4. My comments are not about Hillary, Obama or Bernie they are Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #38
I get it that Bernie supporters tend to be more emotional than most. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #47
You're losing this argument with Bluenorthwest (badly) . . . fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #56
Says who? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #59
He's making you look silly . . . fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #62
By bringing up posts from 8 years ago? Yavin4 Mar 2016 #63
Yeah, right . . . fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #66
That "emotional" claim was thrown at Obama supporters last time Armstead Mar 2016 #57
Our dislike of Gore changed to love Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #60
Bernie supporters are more emotional 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #64
Early 08- Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #44
Wow, digging up old posts about settled arguments from years ago. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #51
Hillary wants my vote without doing a damn thing to earn it besides not being republican. arcane1 Mar 2016 #45
Well, not for nothing Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #24
I'd prefer not to have to put that to the test tk2kewl Mar 2016 #25
You win this thread! fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #58
To their credit Trump had to pay them to be there. WDIM Mar 2016 #72
lol tk2kewl Mar 2016 #73
Trump is more likely to enact Universal Health Care nt Dems to Win Mar 2016 #27
I don't believe anyone thinks that and the question is nonsense. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #29
There's a difference, but the difference is small. Deadshot Mar 2016 #31
No, I'm smarter than that. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #33
Thing is we canot nail down Hillary's positions... so, who knows? yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #34
i can tell you this much elana i am Mar 2016 #37
The question is whether there IS a difference that MAKES a difference. hifiguy Mar 2016 #42
+1 BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #52
Nobody thinks that. Dem2 Mar 2016 #49
Of course not. Trump opposes the TPP. n/t. Shandris Mar 2016 #54
I think there's this much difference. gcomeau Mar 2016 #67
The depths some go to to score imaginary internet points. demmiblue Mar 2016 #68
They are very good friends and both extremely wealthy and detached from the realities of being poor WDIM Mar 2016 #69
the question i'm looking for is whether there's *enough* difference 0rganism Mar 2016 #74
Trump will get very much done SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #77
you are expecting too much.... WAAAYYYYYY too much! Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #79
No, there are certainly differences. Kall Mar 2016 #83
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