2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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31. Because not everyone sees politics as a team sport

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:08 AM

Mar 2016

They don't identify withbthe Democrats becausevthey see no committment to fundamental principles. They are more concerned with supporting candidates whom represent their values over loyalty to some nebulous institutionsl entity,

I do not endorse that, but I certainly understand it.

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Can someone explain to me the intersectionality between... [View all] JaneyVee Mar 2016 OP

Nope... malokvale77 Mar 2016 #1

Ok. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #2

LOL. Perfect! nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #103

good point malokvale pdsimdars Mar 2016 #110

Here's part of the American Values Project manifesto on Hortensis Mar 2016 #111

"progressivism" marions ghost Mar 2016 #124

This is PROGRESSIVEVALUES.ORG's definition, MG. Hortensis Mar 2016 #127

OK marions ghost Mar 2016 #129

I agree that in the 1990s the party crossed lines Hortensis Mar 2016 #133

So marions ghost Mar 2016 #141

Can't or won't? "Bernie or Bust" is obviously, Hortensis Mar 2016 #115

Nnnnnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #3

Hey Janey, where's this Bernie or Bust campaign you speak of? is the the new meme for tomorrow? litlbilly Mar 2016 #4

Right here: JaneyVee Mar 2016 #7

One article unbelievably claims Bust stems from "organic integrity." Hortensis Mar 2016 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Chichiri Mar 2016 #29

dont bother answering, youve been on my ignore list for a long time litlbilly Mar 2016 #5

How did you see this post? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #10

LOL Lucinda Mar 2016 #145

petition you say? where can I find this petition of which you speak? azurnoir Mar 2016 #6

Right here: JaneyVee Mar 2016 #8

but petition not there now I haz sad azurnoir Mar 2016 #12

So you're saying you never heard of it? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #14

no but not really paying attention either busy checking change.org petitions azurnoir Mar 2016 #16

The link I gave contains a link. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #18

ah links within links like a puzzle it is azurnoir Mar 2016 #61

"Like a circle in a spiral // Like a wheel within a wheel" -- Windmills of your mind JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #64

A riddle, wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a sort of croissanwich type deal. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #77

circles within spirals are paradoxical azurnoir Mar 2016 #80

every time that wheel turn round Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #82

I first heard it in The Thomas Crowne Affair. Excellent soundtrack for an excellent movie. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #83

Is this all too complicated for you? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #70

yes yes complicated it is azurnoir Mar 2016 #76

Oh we have all heard of it. We have a secret conclave with regularity, where we exchange silvershadow Mar 2016 #104

hush you're not supposed to tell azurnoir Mar 2016 #142

I've given up trying to explain anything to you.... daleanime Mar 2016 #9

Never heard of you before. But thanks for stopping by. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #11

I once got a forunte cookie that said Gwhittey Mar 2016 #13

Ok so everyone is on board that this isnt an actual thing? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #15

What nobody's stepping up? ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #17

Yeah its weird. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #19

Not really. kristopher Mar 2016 #43

"an actual thing" Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #48

Or you could Google it and see what turns up! JaneyVee Mar 2016 #52

Google is now the determinant for the objective reality of stuff? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #55

"A big part of reality is 3rd party perspective." -- I'd very much like to think that was JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #56

IRONY: THE SHACKLES OF YOUTH Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #57

Weren't you really thinking "shackles of mind"? Hortensis Mar 2016 #112

No. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #118

Is that why you won't discuss "Bernie or Bust?" Hortensis Mar 2016 #119

Wait, what wont I discuss? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #120

It was the "Bernie or Bust" movement. Hortensis Mar 2016 #121

Well... I've been here for 12 years, already. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #143

Okay. Have a nice evening. Hortensis Mar 2016 #146

Where do you get your news? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #58

If you think your 'reasoning' corners Warrens in any way, you are sorely mistaken JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #60

Im referring to third party perspectives. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #65

Here, I actually thought maybe we could have an interesting discussion on metaphysics and semantics Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #66

I learned everything I needed to about the poster's intentions with this thread JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #68

And to boot, now I'm stuck in one of those annoying jury loops! Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #73

I'm in one of those too! Weird.... JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #75

Paging Elad. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #78

saying that everything you can find on google is objectively real, isn't logic. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #63

I agree, which is why i never said that. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #67

Are you referring to these truths? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #71

So Im guessing youre Bernie or Bust? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #79

What a strange post, and a stranger assumption still! Never have I said such a thing in this thread. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #81

It was a question. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #86

This is GDP. It seemed apropos. For followup questions, please refer to post #71. Thanks. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #87

have you ever been to a caucus-race? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #88

Excellent, sir! JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #92

I don't like to toot my own horn (I'm not that flexible) but I am fairly well informed, as humans go Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #85

Just because it may "exist" somewhere, in someone's mind or thoughts, or even silvershadow Mar 2016 #105

My guess? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #20

"Charade of democracy". There is no charade, she's winning. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #21

No, I am not saying that. You are saying that, and I disagree JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #22

Again, based on no evidence. Just emotions and opinions. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #23

I never espoused those opinions, I was explaining them to you. You asked a question in your OP... JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #26

No I think i said everything i needed to in my previous post. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #44

Ah, I get it. It's a "mentality". is a "mentality" an actual thing? It's a deeper question than one Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #50

Maybe the problem is that you assume other people engage in "groupthink" Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #24

So youre saying you will vote for the Dem nominee in Nov? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #25

Because they know that if they say Bernie or Bust they'll be banned from DU for a TOS violation. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #28

This has gone off topic. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #32

You make the mistake in assuming they see Hillary as representing them on the issues, whatsoever. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #35

Its absolutely not flawed because.... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #40

The question is one of perception, not whether you personally agree with that perception. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #42

Thats all im trying to do: understand it. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #45

Then you would be better off not arguing against the messenger who is simply relaying the ideas JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #49

Its an internet discussion board. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #51

You asked a question about what Bernie or Busters believed JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #54

Pick a fight? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #59

This post of yours is not discussion centered on the question at hand. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #62

Then why did we continue discussing it further after that? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #74

what's "an actual movement"? Someone writes a petition? A couple people say something on facebook? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #39

Alert on me again - my 840high Mar 2016 #30

Im sorry, what are you saying? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #33

I've said it like fifty fucking times, now, not that I need to, because that's what I always do. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #38

Huh? Is there a Hillary Or Bust Im not aware of? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #41

You brought up "groupthink". I'm telling you that it's rampant, but maybe not where you think it is. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #46

Clinton is a right-winger, a CONSERVATIVE, look at the issues hillarysong2016 Mar 2016 #27

LOL at the video choices. No thanks. But.... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #36

Thank you for bringing up the twin subjects of unemployment and incarceration side by side hillarysong2016 Mar 2016 #106

... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #107

Because not everyone sees politics as a team sport Armstead Mar 2016 #31

I endorse that sentiment in fact. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #34

I said progressive movement, not any political party's. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #37

No need. These 50,000 people have political freedom same as you or I do. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #47

So we shouldnt make an effort to reach out? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #53

Ah, see, now you're talking. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #69

The playbook that is nabbing more vote totals than any other candidate while... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #89

Yeah, who would think the inevitable and presumed front-runner might get more votes than the unknown Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #90

5 candidates = 5 GOTV campaigns. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #94

You wanted to focus on November, I thought. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #100

Having a more diverse electorate and higher vote totals doesn't mean your ideas are better. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #93

Please refer to post 89 for further questions. Thanks. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #96

Uh...that is the post I responded to, and refuted. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #97

Better ideas are in the eye of the beholder. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #98

If Bernie is not elected Gwhittey Mar 2016 #72

I could watch that over and over again. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #84

Tell Hillary she is wrong if she thinks we will unite just because she claims to be a Democrat. Live and Learn Mar 2016 #91

I would prefer just to let it be a surprise for them. They do not understand what JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #95

You are right. They really don't. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #99

Roughly, some people have persuaded themselves that Clinton is not progressive Recursion Mar 2016 #101

IMO, for most it's a protective hypocrisy adopted Hortensis Mar 2016 #117

Joining Bernie or Bust is not about tossing progressivism JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #126

Congratuations. An actual statement. Hortensis Mar 2016 #128

And you equate abandoning progressivism with not voting straight democratic ticket? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #136

Yes, your statement IS ludicrous, isn't it? Hortensis Mar 2016 #138

because retrowire Mar 2016 #102

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #108

Tangile concern for the issues . . . . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #109

What America needs is four parties. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #113

Clinton embodies everything that is wrong with our party. No, she can not unite us with her RiverLover Mar 2016 #114

well - I cannot think of a more effective project to help ANY RWer move their campaigns forward DrDan Mar 2016 #116

What I see is a lot of Clinton supporters Bettie Mar 2016 #122

Not this time. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #125

My kids are still young Bettie Mar 2016 #132

Thats your right and I respect that. Given the Choice between a Madman and a Corporate Operative Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #135

I respect your opinion too Bettie Mar 2016 #137

Agree, we must try to do what we think is best. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #139

Not sure about this organization or petition whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #123

But how is that progressive? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #131

Sorry whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #134

Why bother your pretty little head about it? Avalux Mar 2016 #130

The Democratic Party's reaction to McGovern loss. ieoeja Mar 2016 #144

Easily, we feel Hillary is not a Progressive. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #147

Interesting question. H2O Man Mar 2016 #148