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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
37. I respect and admire any liberal, regardless of race,who fights the good fight in hostile territory.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:01 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, I'm annoyed with them that they seem to be making the less-progressive choice this time. Of course I'd be annoyed about that...I'm a progressive. But that annoyance is trivial compared to my wholehearted approval of their refusal to abandon their political principles when the majority around them are opposed. It's a lot easier to be a progressive where I live (Oregon).

I also completely understand the position of the not-particularly-liberal contingent of Hillary voters in those states, the majority of which I suspect are black. Blacks who are conservatively-minded are in the difficult situation of feeling that the more conservative of the major parties doesn't support their issues, and contains an embarrassing contingent of outright racists. They believe, with considerable justification, that the GOP doesn't want them (or at least that a bunch of its members don't). A candidate like Bernie is not going to appeal to these black voters, based on his very liberal positions.

Hillary won't be all that attractive to these more conservative blacks on issues, either, but the Clinton name carries so much weight with this community, and despite some recent glitches with BLM, her record of support is exemplary (yes, a Bernie supporter said that...but it's a matter of record). I actually "get" these black votes for Hillary better than I do those of more-progressive black voters.

I'll conclude this long-winded post by saying I also disapprove of the blanket condemnations of the South as backwards, redneck, etc. Simply being annoyed (and sometimes nonplussed) by the region's voters' political choices shouldn't result in over-the-top, unfair vilification. That's bigotry, plain and simple.

I don't. But Clinton needs to show strength in more than one region n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #1
She won Massachusetts and Texas. yardwork Mar 2016 #7
IMO Mass is not an example you want to cite. The Clintons have very close ties to Massachusetts... magical thyme Mar 2016 #47
Bill Clinton did not break Massachusetts BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #59
Yes he did. 950 CMR 53 (18) (d) magical thyme Mar 2016 #63
Bill was simply not doing any of those activities. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #66
I'm out of free article reading. You'll have to cut and paste the specific debunking magical thyme Mar 2016 #70
You can lead a horse to water BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #71
since you are unable to post the debunking, it presumably doesn't exist. I won't subscribe magical thyme Mar 2016 #72
I posted the debunking. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #76
um, where? I see a link to a Boston Globe article. I am out of free reading at the BG & won't subscr magical thyme Mar 2016 #78
He also broke 950 C.M.R. § 54.04(22)(a) of Mass Election Law obstructing the access of voters. Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #90
This ends it for me. artislife Mar 2016 #93
Don't forget a photo op and bullhorn, either. nt artislife Mar 2016 #92
And Nevada and Iowa. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #8
I repeat. She has to show strength in more than one region... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #25
Bernie needs to show strength in more than caucasian heavy regions bravenak Mar 2016 #103
And she will win Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Ohio..... NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #15
I live in NY RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #18
oops - never mind - DrDan Mar 2016 #30
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #36
We shall see. I think she carries NY by 10+ points. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #39
It's not winner take all redstateblues Mar 2016 #77
who said that? RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #98
And Maryland, Pennsylvania and California as well BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #62
...and on her own merits... and without breaking election laws. Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #43
Hmm - it seems from this picture that BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #64
I also don't imagine that a random person holding a sign caused two-hour Svafa Mar 2016 #82
I strongly suspect that the sign holder does not work for, nor are they married to... Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #89
This is a nice meme but it leaves out the fact that Happenstance24 Mar 2016 #80
Colorado is diverse, but I agree that more returns are needed n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #83
Yeah, but Happenstance24 Mar 2016 #85
That's like me saying Bernie could have done better in Georgia if he contested it more Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #99
K&r noamnety Mar 2016 #2
you're wonderful. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #42
Thank you wryter2000 Mar 2016 #54
disenfranchisement is built into the fucked up system. Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #3
That's false. These wins count in the primary. yardwork Mar 2016 #6
Should we only have presidential primaries in reliable blue states? BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #12
Not in state and local elections.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #61
Some of them are engaging in deliberate racism. yardwork Mar 2016 #4
Don't tell the truth because it might hurt your feelings? ok. m-lekktor Mar 2016 #5
I'm not black. It doesn't hurt my feelings. Adrahil Mar 2016 #16
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #9
Two weeks ago it was "Clinton firewall collapsing!" alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #10
Right!... SidDithers Mar 2016 #60
Technically, they are already minimized Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #11
We get the message, elections for president is nationwide Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #13
I live in Rhode Island greymouse Mar 2016 #14
White people in Rhode Island have not been the victims.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #17
Systemic electoral disenfranchisement comes from the Oligarchy controlling our politicians AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #65
You are telling me that SheenaR Mar 2016 #81
A lot of those states will inevitably go Republican in November. That is just a fact. Vattel Mar 2016 #19
You think they don't know that? Seriously? NCTraveler Mar 2016 #21
Duh! Of course they know that, and there is nothing wrong saying it. Vattel Mar 2016 #23
That is not what the op is saying. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #24
Part of what the OP is saying is that it is hurtful to "downplay the significance Vattel Mar 2016 #26
Great way to start the day. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #28
Well, as you drink more coffee, I am sure you will appreciate Vattel Mar 2016 #35
That has absolutely nothing to do with primary voters. sufrommich Mar 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Mar 2016 #100
So they shouldn't have a voice in selecting the nominee? Adrahil Mar 2016 #40
no, your post is part of the problem. Vattel Mar 2016 #88
Having a rational conversation with some people is impossible Number23 Mar 2016 #105
Many of the people who need to read this most... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #20
This is not about voters of color RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #22
How old are you? Frances Mar 2016 #31
I am older than you, for sure RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #75
I remember the police fighting against gays in New York Frances Mar 2016 #91
Yes, I don't have a link RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #97
Food for thought... K&R. n/t demmiblue Mar 2016 #27
Well said. DCBob Mar 2016 #29
Sending the message that the southern vote in the general election is irrelevant and worthless Tanuki Mar 2016 #32
It's the winner take all system that disenfranchizes Dem voters in the south. Go guilt trip the leveymg Mar 2016 #34
That's an important point: the Electoral College is an anti-democratic anachronism. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #38
I'm not trying to "guilt trip" anyone. Adrahil Mar 2016 #41
I respect and admire any liberal, regardless of race,who fights the good fight in hostile territory. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #37
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. erlewyne Mar 2016 #44
All votes from Democrats matter. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #45
I think the primary should be held on one day for all the states. jalan48 Mar 2016 #46
Abso-freakin'-lutely! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #52
I have spoken out on this topic angrychair Mar 2016 #48
Agreed lunatica Mar 2016 #49
The southern states were deliberately set up as a "firewall" to support conservative, magical thyme Mar 2016 #50
I think that some are just trying to minimize her ST victories Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2016 #51
I wish I could give this a thousand recs wryter2000 Mar 2016 #53
I do not understand why Bernie Supporters criticize African-Americans for supporting Clinton. Nitram Mar 2016 #55
"Don't disenfranchise them now." Herman4747 Mar 2016 #56
Exactly right. n/t bvf Mar 2016 #67
LOL.... case in point. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #73
All the more reason to get rid of the Electoral College. Herman4747 Mar 2016 #57
I for one have never "disenfranchised" anyones vote. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #58
Thanks... then this post was not directed at you. Adrahil Mar 2016 #74
Ok, fair enough. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #102
How are they being disenfranchised? Were their votes not counted? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #68
Well.... Adrahil Mar 2016 #79
The confederacy line was embarrassing FreedomRain Mar 2016 #95
The truth is that those voters came out to nominate a candidate bigbrother05 Mar 2016 #69
Minimizing Bernie's NH victory SheenaR Mar 2016 #84
Yes.... White votes matter :rolleyes: Adrahil Mar 2016 #86
Responded to your OP SheenaR Mar 2016 #87
yes woe is the life of white people dsc Mar 2016 #106
Good try SheenaR Mar 2016 #107
Minnesota has a large Native population artislife Mar 2016 #94
You mean the way the Clinton campaign minimized everything Bernie does? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #96
Dear white people JackInGreen Mar 2016 #101
+1 bravenak Mar 2016 #104
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