2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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36. If nothing else, he might be able to defuse some of the distortions about single payer

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:22 PM

Mar 2016

What I like about Sanders campaign, win or lose, is that crucial issues and good Liberal ideas are being brought out into the fresh air again after being AWOL from the Democratic Party and the overall public discourse since Reagan (and the Clintons) .

At the very least it may pave the way for these in the future (hopefully near future)

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Report: Bernie Sanders proposes $15T in tax increases, hitting most taxpayers . [View all] JaneyVee Mar 2016 OP

when did you become a republican? total RW bullshit litlbilly Mar 2016 #1

Raise middle class wages, not middle class taxes. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #5

No new taxes!!!! UglyGreed Mar 2016 #29

totally false; even the right wing tax foundation shows the opposite, amborin Mar 2016 #2

Provide links. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #11

Nice way it survives. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #3

No mention on savings on healthcare. But the word "tax" is an effective boogeyman. drokhole Mar 2016 #4

#BernieMath JaneyVee Mar 2016 #7

Will Bernie's friends at Fox bring this up? Hmmm... Alfresco Mar 2016 #6

This has already been debunked. Next! jillan Mar 2016 #8

Uhh...the report was just released today. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #9

And it has already been debunked. This claim was made month ago. jillan Mar 2016 #15

Are you hostile to facts? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #17

Nor is Hillary. MattSh Mar 2016 #26

And you are? LOL! (nt) CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #28

Why yes I am. I have economic degrees and economics is my job. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #37

You should check with your profile 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #42

Which part? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #45

The part that describes your job 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #48

Do you know what a UPM is and does? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #50

I do, and I know TM99 Mar 2016 #64

Gee, I sure spend a lot of time dealing with economics for a manager. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #66

But Janey, you are still not an economist. TM99 Mar 2016 #69

Federal taxation and govt spending was like day 1 of economics. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #72

You are educated. TM99 Mar 2016 #74

I trust Prof Krugman on this Gothmog Mar 2016 #87

This is a distortion of Bernie's tax plan Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #10

Try this from liberal economists JaneyVee Mar 2016 #13

Try this from Bill Clinton's Secretary of Labor jillan Mar 2016 #16

Ma'am, that is about healthcare, we're talking tax policy. READ THE ARTICLE JaneyVee Mar 2016 #19

The ONLY tax that middle class Americans will see an increase in is for healthcare. jillan Mar 2016 #22

LOL. That chart is based on #BernieMath JaneyVee Mar 2016 #39

Oh Janey - I have provided you with the response to that letter already from other economists that jillan Mar 2016 #40

WHERE? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #51

but that doesn't fit her narrative dana_b Mar 2016 #52

Higher taxes for free stuff will never fly with voters. oasis Mar 2016 #12

Like higher taxes for free retirement money? Or healthcare when you're old? Armstead Mar 2016 #30

I'm not opposed to higher taxes, but I have only one vote. oasis Mar 2016 #33

If nothing else, he might be able to defuse some of the distortions about single payer Armstead Mar 2016 #36

I agree. Elected Democrats were gravitating much to rightward. oasis Mar 2016 #47

Exactly scscholar Mar 2016 #63

"If your description is accurate" dana_b Mar 2016 #35

Good. We need higher taxes. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #14

Doesn't the middle class make out better in this deal net wise factoring in healthcare, college, etc EndElectoral Mar 2016 #18

Are healthcare and college free? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #20

I posted a chart so you could see how Bernie pays for everything just above. jillan Mar 2016 #25

I'm probably one of those dead center people. Vinca Mar 2016 #21

With me it is getting rid of the insurance companies. I care for someone that has complex jillan Mar 2016 #24

+1 Go Vols Mar 2016 #89

OMG!! OMG!! OMG!! dirtydickcheney Mar 2016 #23

I gather the 'BernieBros are Stalinists' meme blew up in y'all's faces? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #27

Everyone's Health Care Premiums will go to ZERO, more than making up for any tax increase. n/t yodermon Mar 2016 #31

Umm..Medicare is an 80/20 payment. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #41

Well, that's not good! People aren't going to like that. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #32

Downballot Dems can't run on it. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #79

It's a recipe for failure. (ie: Super-majorities in both houses of Congress.) NurseJackie Mar 2016 #80

Senate and SCOTUS fall if he is the nominee. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #81

The worst part of it? We get absolutely NOTHING in return! DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #34

Hillary fans are so skilled at drive-by talking points that never stick CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #38

This article is about tax policy, not healthcare. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #43

The last Democrat to run on raising taxes on the middle class was redstateblues Mar 2016 #44

this is not 1984 anymore dana_b Mar 2016 #49

I don't care what year it is. No one will win running on raising taxes redstateblues Mar 2016 #85

was he proposing it as part of single payer healthcare? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #73

Doesn't look to bad considering the trade off - Lans Mar 2016 #46

Only if we eventually change to single payer, reducing our medical insurance payments accordingly. raging moderate Mar 2016 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #54

My employer pays them. Like 90% of other Americans. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #57

Any tax increase on the middle class is a nonstarter, period. vdogg Mar 2016 #55

We need lower taxes for the middle class and poor. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #58

It's a guaranteed loser redstateblues Mar 2016 #84

Tax increases worked so well for President Mondale Gothmog Mar 2016 #56

God, just like Hillary, her supporters are little Hillarys themselves pdsimdars Mar 2016 #59

re: " That would reduce their after-tax incomes by 8.5 percent" thesquanderer Mar 2016 #60

90% of people have employer healthcare. And... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #61

Even employer healthcare often requires employee contributions. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #62

I meant covered, between that and Medicare. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #65

And then we still have to pay to access it via Kittycat Mar 2016 #82

that's incorrect PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #75

But they would get so much more in return by way of free college tuition and free healthcare... Jitter65 Mar 2016 #67

well, yeah , they would PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #78

The funniest part about these threads is Democrats pretending to not understand anything about taxes Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #68

==== thank you ==== Kittycat Mar 2016 #83

Deceptive and Misleading at best . . . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #70

My working stiff taxes will go up $100. My healthcare costs will go down by $15,000 Doctor_J Mar 2016 #71

My taxes will go up a little. Svafa Mar 2016 #76

To get a ROI from My Tax fredamae Mar 2016 #77

I seem to remember the last presidential candidate that ran on raising taxes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #86

kick!!!! UglyGreed Mar 2016 #88