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2016 Postmortem

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malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
1. Oh, hot off the presses! Let me rec first and then read.:)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

I had a fun time yesterday, I actually had a couple of good conversations and even learned something. Who would have thought that people who honestly think themselves Democrats believe that, between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the "lesser of evils" is the latter?

Now, as to your post:

Collateral damage. I would gently disagree with one nuance, that the frackers want to make money by poisoning us. That suggests they are more evil than they really are. What they want is to make money by whatever means are expedient, and if you and I and others are poisoned in the process, then it sucks to be us, doesn't it? (Rather the same attitude can be found among those who propose killing this terrorist or that, or indeed, raiding this or that house for drugs: if a few dishes are broken in the process, well, too bad. "Too bad," incidentally, does not rhyme with "I'm sorry.&quot

M. Voltaire suggested that ignorance was the mother of cruelty. May I suggest that indifference is its father? And I note, contra the good philosophe, that when ignorance is informed and enlightened, it is no guarantee that the cruelty will cease. This or that specific outrage may be corrected, as those who are responsible strive to cover their asses, but the pattern continues. A stream is poisoned in West Virginia, another in North Carolina. Drinking water is poisoned in one city, and another stream poisoned in West Virginia. And so it goes. Meanwhile, a community which is, actually, ignorant, or a farmer, or what have you, "decides" to allow fracking for the cash it will bring, which if one agrees with Mrs Clinton, is perfectly all right. It raises a philosophical question: at what point of consequences does "caveat emptor" cease to be operative?

As for fracking, the problem is compounded when, as in Pennsylvania for example, the state government has enacted a law giving communities no say in the question at all, when they have no recourse to keep the frackers from spoiling their lands and polluting and consuming their water (that self-same Susquehanna about which you wrote so lyrically the other day). This is Eminent Domain taken to new heights of absurdity, alienating the property not just of this individual or that neighborhood, but an entire community. Which, presumably, is also perfectly fine by Mrs Clinton's standards.



-- Mal

Ripples of Hope [View all] H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
Oh, hot off the presses! Let me rec first and then read.:) malthaussen Mar 2016 #1
Well said! H2O Man Mar 2016 #11
I think the small cruelties may come from ignorance... malthaussen Mar 2016 #14
Random Acts of Power ....and the people without a Free Press KoKo Mar 2016 #67
And you have written more than one ripple of hope, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #2
Thanks, Buddy. H2O Man Mar 2016 #12
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #3
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man Mar 2016 #13
I agree, H2O Man Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #31
That fracking question perfectly illustrated the differences between the candidates. panader0 Mar 2016 #4
And consequently, is criticized for being "black and white," malthaussen Mar 2016 #7
Great point. H2O Man Mar 2016 #15
+1 NHprogressive Mar 2016 #27
THANK YOU!!! ^^^^^ Fracking is an abomination marions ghost Mar 2016 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #17
Agree marions ghost Mar 2016 #33
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #45
Once again an OP of yours makes me feel good. Punkingal Mar 2016 #6
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #18
casting my vote for Bernie on March 26. I can't wait. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #8
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #19
Funny that you bring up the "68" convention WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2016 #29
I agree. H2O Man Mar 2016 #72
There must be an art to how one stays composed. Gregorian Mar 2016 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #34
It's getting hard to explain to people that you oppose mmonk Mar 2016 #10
Yep. Definitely. H2O Man Mar 2016 #36
I don't think anyone could say your quality of discussion mmonk Mar 2016 #42
Well, I've said H2O Man Mar 2016 #47
No worries. I have plenty. I just didn't know how plenty until mmonk Mar 2016 #50
Ha! H2O Man Mar 2016 #52
I am disappointed H20 Man. You are not being completely fair. She made it very clear corkhead Mar 2016 #16
she is against "unsafe" fracking AlbertCat Mar 2016 #22
There is no such thing as "safe" fracking. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #30
But but she boldly took a stand against unsafe drinking water! corkhead Mar 2016 #35
And it was on TV. H2O Man Mar 2016 #71
Oh, they do not go far enough. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #73
And it's not fair to use the candidate's own words against her. malthaussen Mar 2016 #76
I find that the H2O Man Mar 2016 #87
And whether they put their hands over their hearts... malthaussen Mar 2016 #88
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #70
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #37
Yes, we had PCB contaminated milk here in Michigan around that same time. corkhead Mar 2016 #43
Thanks, corkhead! H2O Man Mar 2016 #48
Thank you, again, H2O Man. Reading it makes me smile! kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #20
Thanks, Friend kgnu_fan! H2O Man Mar 2016 #38
work calls...but I did catch this before leaving. K&R. Thanks. nt antigop Mar 2016 #21
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #39
k&R Mbrow Mar 2016 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #40
great post! knr retrowire Mar 2016 #24
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #41
huh what rough draft??? nt retrowire Mar 2016 #44
Oh, okay. H2O Man Mar 2016 #49
nooo im no ghost writer! that's all you! lol nt retrowire Mar 2016 #53
What a beautiful OP werknotgoin2takeit Mar 2016 #25
Thank you very much! H2O Man Mar 2016 #51
There is great investigative journalism werknotgoin2takeit Mar 2016 #56
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2016 #57
Thank you for bringing Robert Kennedy back. What an amazing man and terrible loss. PWPippin Mar 2016 #79
Here in Colorado, the oil and gas industry mountain grammy Mar 2016 #26
Thank you, my Friend! H2O Man Mar 2016 #58
Truth! Not Distraction. KoKo Mar 2016 #28
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Mar 2016 #59
Delete..double post.. KoKo Mar 2016 #64
Back Attcha! KoKo Mar 2016 #65
well, she has a lot of common ground with rightwingers/repubs too as a 3rdwayer stupidicus Mar 2016 #32
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2016 #60
as an honest broker stupidicus Mar 2016 #66
K&R, H20 Man shanti Mar 2016 #46
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #61
One thing I find curious... malthaussen Mar 2016 #77
I have a ripple of hope, H20 Man, when I hear Bernie Sanders talk about changes he will make Samantha Mar 2016 #54
Thanks, Sam! H2O Man Mar 2016 #62
I have a hardback first edition of Nixon's Memoirs Samantha Mar 2016 #68
Yeah, but do you have Mein Kampf by your bedside? malthaussen Mar 2016 #78
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #85
kick'n'rec (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #55
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #69
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #81
K&R If ignorance is bliss then wipe the smile off my face. nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #74
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #82
K/r. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #75
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #83
I needed this post this morning. Thank you, H2O Man. FourScore Mar 2016 #80
Thanks, FourScore. H2O Man Mar 2016 #84
Oh YAY! I'll look for it now. n/t FourScore Mar 2016 #86
Kick cyberswede Mar 2016 #90
K&R Zorra Mar 2016 #91
Thank you so much for that RFK quote! Martin Eden Mar 2016 #92
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