2016 Postmortem

Chitown Kev

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30. This discussion gets tiring...Anyone who has been in Congress for over 25 years

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:31 PM

Mar 2016

will have good votes, bad votes, votes which intend to do one thing but wind up opening the door for quite another

But Bernie ALWAYS votes in the right ways for the right reasons. Always

And even then, some bills have unintended consequences.

For example...look up some of the background behind the origin of the "religious freedom" bill; the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act...a bill which Bernie co-sponsored, BTW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act

We go through the same argument with the crime bill here.

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Can somebody please help me understand what the Militiamen vote was about? [View all] bravenak Mar 2016 OP

Hi bravenak, the best article on the subject that I have read is by (groan) buzzfeed JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #1

Thank you. bravenak Mar 2016 #6

But in truth his vote has nothing to do with immigration policy or with Latinos. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #8

It is because of the Militias bravenak Mar 2016 #9

Sorry, bravenak, it really has nothing to do with immigration **policy** JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #14

If it is a danger to their citizens, yes bravenak Mar 2016 #17

If it never caused any issues, the only reason it is an issue isbecause Clinton is using it JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #32

I think it's a bad vote because of the connections people are already making bravenak Mar 2016 #38

Sorry, but a vote doesn't "become bad" because of others' mischaracterizations and JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #40

Yes it does bravenak Mar 2016 #41

I disagree. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #44

And we think about the effect of granting ligitimacy because of the subsequent horrors bravenak Mar 2016 #49

Defending the rights of groups we disagree with protects the rights of all Perogie Mar 2016 #70

Yes it does. bravenak Mar 2016 #74

So Bernie was correct in voting yes Perogie Mar 2016 #80

The law was already settled before that vote. bravenak Mar 2016 #94

ha ha Perogie Mar 2016 #101

The vote was a mistake bravenak Mar 2016 #103

It's just more shit stirring by camp wheathervane. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #2

I am sure it was an actual vote bravenak Mar 2016 #3

And there you go... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #5

Ha! Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #35

It's about desperation .... H2O Man Mar 2016 #4

Or, it could be just one bad vote... bravenak Mar 2016 #7

No. H2O Man Mar 2016 #10

No bravenak Mar 2016 #11

Yes, it exists to give you another thing (you don't understand) to make noise about whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #12

I am sure you are the arbiter of what I understand bravenak Mar 2016 #13

It was about nothing. basselope Mar 2016 #15

It was a real vote bravenak Mar 2016 #19

It was a "real vote" with no actual potential impact. basselope Mar 2016 #20

So why even vote yes? bravenak Mar 2016 #23

Why vote no? basselope Mar 2016 #24

Vote no as a symbolic repudiation of the racist militia lunamagica Mar 2016 #33

LORETTA: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them. Electric Monk Mar 2016 #47

And a vote against the ACTUAL law. basselope Mar 2016 #53

Sounds like it was written by the Border Klan and NRA. Talk about crud stirring, Hoyt Mar 2016 #34

havent really bothered with them... basselope Mar 2016 #58

Then, so does Sanders' failing to denounce Border Klan. His Nationalism is not becomming. Hoyt Mar 2016 #64

He did denounce them. basselope Mar 2016 #72

While voting to improve their chances of intimidating or shooting poor immigrants. Hoyt Mar 2016 #82

Simply false basselope Mar 2016 #102

As per USUAL... Senator Sanders vote was spot-on. The U.S. Government should NOT track and reveal AzDar Mar 2016 #16

Those militias are very dangerous bravenak Mar 2016 #18

Undoubtedly. But they weren't even mentioned in the text of the Legislation...Either you believe AzDar Mar 2016 #26

It doesn't matter if it seems like a scummy attack bravenak Mar 2016 #31

It sure does. And those using this scummy attack R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #45

I am not so sure people need to be fooled. bravenak Mar 2016 #50

And those attempting to fool R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #60

Yeah. I just read the minutes from the amendment bravenak Mar 2016 #65

Yep. So stupidly transparent. Thank you. 840high Mar 2016 #68

Yes, the militias were explicitly described. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #104

The funny thing is they already can't do it. The amendment was restating what is already law. basselope Mar 2016 #22

Except that it legitimized racist border militias. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #107

Which it didn't. basselope Mar 2016 #109

How could it not, when it actually described them--and only them--in the legislation? nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #110

False. basselope Mar 2016 #111

Wouldn't want to warn poor immigrants of Border Klan waiting to shoot them. Hell, Hoyt Mar 2016 #36

That's how I feel. I like that Sanders errs on the side of liberty and privacy. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #88

It was a stupid and paranoid bill, but "yes" was still the correct vote Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #21

It was a useless symbolic vote that he should disavow now. bravenak Mar 2016 #27

It is amusing that you have never stated the bill was a bad idea, legally speaking. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #46

I disagree with it. bravenak Mar 2016 #55

It was a useless symbolic bill, but Bernie did nothing wrong in voting for it Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #51

yeah right. Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #25

Yeah, no. bravenak Mar 2016 #28

so you posted this asking for help **underestanding** the article.. cleopotrick Mar 2016 #29

I want to know why he voted yes. That is where my confusion lies. bravenak Mar 2016 #39

But that's not what you wrote. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #48

Understand his reasoning behind his vote bravenak Mar 2016 #52

I showed you what you wrote. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #76

The flaw was in your interpretation of my meaning bravenak Mar 2016 #78

Sorry. Again, they are your words. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #87

My words mean what I say I meant. Not what you decide I meant. Period. bravenak Mar 2016 #89

Your OP differs from your later explanation. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #95

It does not matter. It means what I say it means because I said it. bravenak Mar 2016 #96

Amen! nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #99

This discussion gets tiring...Anyone who has been in Congress for over 25 years Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #30

Absolutely true. bravenak Mar 2016 #37

That's what chaps my hide Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #42

I will remember it forever bravenak Mar 2016 #43

I can copy text from a PDF...sweet Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #57

Helpful... bravenak Mar 2016 #62

I do not see a production reason for a yes vote. fun n serious Mar 2016 #90

I do not see any explanation either. bravenak Mar 2016 #92

Right! nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #93

"Sanders ALWAYS votes the right way for the right reasons and his bills help us ALL, bravenak." Number23 Mar 2016 #66

AMEN!! bravenak Mar 2016 #71

... Number23 Mar 2016 #81

That's how I act when He does his speeches! bravenak Mar 2016 #84

here you go Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #54

He says why he was a yea? Let me go see.. bravenak Mar 2016 #56

No, he doesn't Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #61

That was a nasty discussion in my view. It just bothered me. bravenak Mar 2016 #69

Senator Sabo (D-MN) JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #63

Yeah. I read the whole thing. bravenak Mar 2016 #67

So did I. I see another snip out of context by Kingston pasted above. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #73

Which was also sanitized bravenak Mar 2016 #75

Yes, it was restating what was already law Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #77

If the it had no effect on policy, there is really no problem with it. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #79

The Stupak-Pitts amendment to the PPACA Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #100

SMH bravenak Mar 2016 #59

It sure is. fun n serious Mar 2016 #83

For real... bravenak Mar 2016 #85

Protecting the rights of groups we may find disagreeable is still correct Arazi Mar 2016 #86

And it is something that might make one look bad even if one feels 'correct'. bravenak Mar 2016 #91

Ok, so doing the right thing is now going to be spun as bad Arazi Mar 2016 #97

It was already settled law! bravenak Mar 2016 #98

LOL okay. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #105

bravenak all I can say to you is. William769 Mar 2016 #106

Sanders' vote served no other purpose than to legitimize anti-Latino border militias. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #108

It sure is still_one Mar 2016 #113

Great article Gothmog Mar 2016 #112

Deadly drug cartels and a passive Mexican government. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2016 #114

It was already the law. bravenak Mar 2016 #115