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Hi bravenak, the best article on the subject that I have read is by (groan) buzzfeed JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #1
Thank you. bravenak Mar 2016 #6
But in truth his vote has nothing to do with immigration policy or with Latinos. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #8
It is because of the Militias bravenak Mar 2016 #9
Sorry, bravenak, it really has nothing to do with immigration **policy** JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #14
If it is a danger to their citizens, yes bravenak Mar 2016 #17
If it never caused any issues, the only reason it is an issue isbecause Clinton is using it JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #32
I think it's a bad vote because of the connections people are already making bravenak Mar 2016 #38
Sorry, but a vote doesn't "become bad" because of others' mischaracterizations and JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #40
Yes it does bravenak Mar 2016 #41
I disagree. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #44
And we think about the effect of granting ligitimacy because of the subsequent horrors bravenak Mar 2016 #49
Defending the rights of groups we disagree with protects the rights of all Perogie Mar 2016 #70
Yes it does. bravenak Mar 2016 #74
So Bernie was correct in voting yes Perogie Mar 2016 #80
The law was already settled before that vote. bravenak Mar 2016 #94
ha ha Perogie Mar 2016 #101
The vote was a mistake bravenak Mar 2016 #103
It's just more shit stirring by camp wheathervane. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #2
I am sure it was an actual vote bravenak Mar 2016 #3
And there you go... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #5
Ha! Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #35
It's about desperation .... H2O Man Mar 2016 #4
Or, it could be just one bad vote... bravenak Mar 2016 #7
No. H2O Man Mar 2016 #10
No bravenak Mar 2016 #11
Yes, it exists to give you another thing (you don't understand) to make noise about whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #12
I am sure you are the arbiter of what I understand bravenak Mar 2016 #13
It was about nothing. basselope Mar 2016 #15
It was a real vote bravenak Mar 2016 #19
It was a "real vote" with no actual potential impact. basselope Mar 2016 #20
So why even vote yes? bravenak Mar 2016 #23
Why vote no? basselope Mar 2016 #24
Vote no as a symbolic repudiation of the racist militia lunamagica Mar 2016 #33
LORETTA: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them. Electric Monk Mar 2016 #47
And a vote against the ACTUAL law. basselope Mar 2016 #53
Sounds like it was written by the Border Klan and NRA. Talk about crud stirring, Hoyt Mar 2016 #34
havent really bothered with them... basselope Mar 2016 #58
Then, so does Sanders' failing to denounce Border Klan. His Nationalism is not becomming. Hoyt Mar 2016 #64
He did denounce them. basselope Mar 2016 #72
While voting to improve their chances of intimidating or shooting poor immigrants. Hoyt Mar 2016 #82
Simply false basselope Mar 2016 #102
As per USUAL... Senator Sanders vote was spot-on. The U.S. Government should NOT track and reveal AzDar Mar 2016 #16
Those militias are very dangerous bravenak Mar 2016 #18
Undoubtedly. But they weren't even mentioned in the text of the Legislation...Either you believe AzDar Mar 2016 #26
It doesn't matter if it seems like a scummy attack bravenak Mar 2016 #31
It sure does. And those using this scummy attack R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #45
I am not so sure people need to be fooled. bravenak Mar 2016 #50
And those attempting to fool R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #60
Yeah. I just read the minutes from the amendment bravenak Mar 2016 #65
Yep. So stupidly transparent. Thank you. 840high Mar 2016 #68
Yes, the militias were explicitly described. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #104
The funny thing is they already can't do it. The amendment was restating what is already law. basselope Mar 2016 #22
Except that it legitimized racist border militias. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #107
Which it didn't. basselope Mar 2016 #109
How could it not, when it actually described them--and only them--in the legislation? nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #110
False. basselope Mar 2016 #111
Wouldn't want to warn poor immigrants of Border Klan waiting to shoot them. Hell, Hoyt Mar 2016 #36
That's how I feel. I like that Sanders errs on the side of liberty and privacy. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #88
It was a stupid and paranoid bill, but "yes" was still the correct vote Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #21
It was a useless symbolic vote that he should disavow now. bravenak Mar 2016 #27
It is amusing that you have never stated the bill was a bad idea, legally speaking. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #46
I disagree with it. bravenak Mar 2016 #55
It was a useless symbolic bill, but Bernie did nothing wrong in voting for it Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #51
yeah right. Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #25
Yeah, no. bravenak Mar 2016 #28
so you posted this asking for help **underestanding** the article.. cleopotrick Mar 2016 #29
I want to know why he voted yes. That is where my confusion lies. bravenak Mar 2016 #39
But that's not what you wrote. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #48
Understand his reasoning behind his vote bravenak Mar 2016 #52
I showed you what you wrote. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #76
The flaw was in your interpretation of my meaning bravenak Mar 2016 #78
Sorry. Again, they are your words. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #87
My words mean what I say I meant. Not what you decide I meant. Period. bravenak Mar 2016 #89
Your OP differs from your later explanation. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #95
It does not matter. It means what I say it means because I said it. bravenak Mar 2016 #96
Amen! nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #99
This discussion gets tiring...Anyone who has been in Congress for over 25 years Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #30
Absolutely true. bravenak Mar 2016 #37
That's what chaps my hide Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #42
I will remember it forever bravenak Mar 2016 #43
I can copy text from a PDF...sweet Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #57
Helpful... bravenak Mar 2016 #62
I do not see a production reason for a yes vote. fun n serious Mar 2016 #90
I do not see any explanation either. bravenak Mar 2016 #92
Right! nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #93
"Sanders ALWAYS votes the right way for the right reasons and his bills help us ALL, bravenak." Number23 Mar 2016 #66
AMEN!! bravenak Mar 2016 #71
... Number23 Mar 2016 #81
That's how I act when He does his speeches! bravenak Mar 2016 #84
here you go Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #54
He says why he was a yea? Let me go see.. bravenak Mar 2016 #56
No, he doesn't Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #61
That was a nasty discussion in my view. It just bothered me. bravenak Mar 2016 #69
Senator Sabo (D-MN) JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #63
Yeah. I read the whole thing. bravenak Mar 2016 #67
So did I. I see another snip out of context by Kingston pasted above. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #73
Which was also sanitized bravenak Mar 2016 #75
Yes, it was restating what was already law Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #77
If the it had no effect on policy, there is really no problem with it. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #79
The Stupak-Pitts amendment to the PPACA Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #100
SMH bravenak Mar 2016 #59
It sure is. fun n serious Mar 2016 #83
For real... bravenak Mar 2016 #85
Protecting the rights of groups we may find disagreeable is still correct Arazi Mar 2016 #86
And it is something that might make one look bad even if one feels 'correct'. bravenak Mar 2016 #91
Ok, so doing the right thing is now going to be spun as bad Arazi Mar 2016 #97
It was already settled law! bravenak Mar 2016 #98
LOL okay. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #105
bravenak all I can say to you is. William769 Mar 2016 #106
Sanders' vote served no other purpose than to legitimize anti-Latino border militias. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #108
It sure is still_one Mar 2016 #113
Great article Gothmog Mar 2016 #112
Deadly drug cartels and a passive Mexican government. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2016 #114
It was already the law. bravenak Mar 2016 #115
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