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Hoyt

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113. When Mexico wises up, it will be better to have economic activity to tax and jobs to require
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:58 AM
Mar 2016

better wages. They are much better off with some improvement, attracting industry and investment, better jobs, etc., than doing nothing, hoping corn farmers will feed the 99%.

My reading indicates skilled laborers are doing much better under NAFTA, unskilled no so much but they do have some gains. Overtime, more should move into the skilled category.

Again, I'd rather have a bunch of plants operating in my country when the government wises up and workers gain more leverage, than to have little more than corn farmers to turn to.

People complain I use personal experience, but my experience in corporate America hollysmom Mar 2016 #1
The US manufactures more today than at any point in our history Recursion Mar 2016 #70
Then pay middle class wages for a 30 hour work week. kristopher Mar 2016 #84
I'm not sure what that means. Recursion Mar 2016 #86
Sure kristopher Mar 2016 #106
What a load of crap BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #2
Gosh, I don't know. H2O Man Mar 2016 #23
right?! dana_b Mar 2016 #29
The sad things is H2O Man Mar 2016 #30
Yea Gwhittey Mar 2016 #102
Except the analysis is that the popular opinion is wrong mythology Mar 2016 #38
Just because something's in the Washington Post doesn't make it true, either. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #79
WaPo also argues that NAFTA was good for Mexico. Wilms Mar 2016 #3
NAFTA was pretty terrible for Mexico in fact Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #57
You can't look at one industry to gauge the impact of trade. Many Mexican farmers have jobs Hoyt Mar 2016 #60
Some other stats, then: Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #64
Yet Mexico stands in lines to sign every trade deal they can. I bet Mexico Hoyt Mar 2016 #65
Are you aware that Mexico ranks poorly as a democracy? kristopher Mar 2016 #112
When Mexico wises up, it will be better to have economic activity to tax and jobs to require Hoyt Mar 2016 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Mar 2016 #76
What is wrong with "America First"? PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #77
Nothing. A nation's first obligation is to its own citizens. n/t whathehell Mar 2016 #114
Complete fertilizer. n/t Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #4
Hilarious ... Trajan Mar 2016 #5
I grew up in a town decimated by NAFTA revbones Mar 2016 #7
So what? The United states is... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #12
I see you have a Buddha avatar. Nice compassionate attitude you have there. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #13
Free Market Buddha? kenfrequed Mar 2016 #41
Wow. revbones Mar 2016 #16
Yeah it arguably affects cities worse because when the economy is gone then Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #94
What is the matter with you? Punkingal Mar 2016 #18
I can't tell if you're a Hillary troll or a Republican troll BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #24
Hillary - but having an opinion... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #43
No, but remarks like that demonstrate a lack of various things revbones Mar 2016 #48
+1, same here. Marr Mar 2016 #81
Perfomance art. cyberswede Mar 2016 #33
Time to move to The Hive, huh? Sweet. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #36
My hometown was decimated by Nafta. I love my hometown. Fuck You. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #40
No unemployment is much much higher. TM99 Mar 2016 #59
And the reason we should believe this blog over BLS U6 is? nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #110
Wow, you might be on the wrong site. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #82
I grew up in a town decimated by... brace yourself... South Carolina! HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #47
So NAFTA is to blame for people not wanting pocket watches? Generic Brad Mar 2016 #69
I think I may have been unclear... HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #83
We make most of the heavy plant and machinery other countries use in their factories Recursion Mar 2016 #91
Which is why so many people left Youngstown for Houston Recursion Mar 2016 #67
Hell even Joe Scarborough Gwhittey Mar 2016 #6
So why isn't Hillary embracing her trade deals? Ino Mar 2016 #8
Politics, of course.... however.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #15
Politics, yes, of course... Ino Mar 2016 #25
She's not lying... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #44
"regressive" I'm not sure you are correct in your understanding of that word revbones Mar 2016 #49
I'm not sure I understand. Ino Mar 2016 #56
How well did that argument work in MI? liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #9
You mean the.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #17
The millions of people who lost their jobs know the truth. You are going on my ignore list. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #20
Since we are now at an unemployment rate of 4.9% and since.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #45
Tell that to the people who used to work at the 10 - 12 factories that used to exist nearby. Vinca Mar 2016 #10
What exactly does the North American Free Trade Agreement have to do . ... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #46
NAFTA was the birthplace of outsourcing. Vinca Mar 2016 #116
The problem is every time a factory closes people say "NAFTA". Even if it went to China Recursion Mar 2016 #68
If you look up "outsourcing" in the dictionary, it should say "NAFTA." Vinca Mar 2016 #117
That's one study's cherry picking opinion Jarqui Mar 2016 #11
“In reality, NAFTA did not cause the huge job losses feared by the critics,” beedle Mar 2016 #14
Complete bull shit. Fearless Mar 2016 #19
"economic transformation" is not a force of nature ibegurpard Mar 2016 #21
And SOME people still say cigarettes don't cause cancer. basselope Mar 2016 #22
Jeff Bezos must have shit his pants after last night's debate Scootaloo Mar 2016 #26
The USA did indeed lose 850K jobs to NAFTA. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #27
This is exactly the right response, thanks I hate liars Mar 2016 #28
Don't believe that's true, but it would be less than one percent of jobs if it were. Hoyt Mar 2016 #61
Nope, median inflation-adjusted wages are higher today than in 1993 Recursion Mar 2016 #71
Not surprising that you failed to point out that household/consumer debt has exponentially increased brentspeak Mar 2016 #107
It's not as bad as, say, Canada, but it's up from 1993 (but coming down) Recursion Mar 2016 #108
Sure - why don't you just post that to the people of MI, OH, IN, WI, Il, and dana_b Mar 2016 #31
The stuff one has to defend to support Clinton. libtodeath Mar 2016 #32
WaPo...LOL! HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #34
I wondered if anyone else noticed that... yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #53
At least you took an accurate user name. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #35
"NAFTA did not cause the huge job losses feared by the critics,” Uh huh. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #37
Been training replacement workers since the mid 80's Dem2 Mar 2016 #39
Personal experience is very meaningful. Similar things happened every where. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #42
Somewhere there must be a thorough analysis of the number of jobs shipped elsewhere Jitter65 Mar 2016 #115
You forgot this: 99Forever Mar 2016 #50
Really? You really have that name? Really? Really? On DU? REALLY???? valerief Mar 2016 #51
Congratulations! november3rd Mar 2016 #52
Thanks, Washington Post. Kall Mar 2016 #54
Carrier did not just move its plant from Indianapolis to Mexico! DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #55
It is moving there in an attempt to survive against cheaper/better products made elsewhere. It's sad Hoyt Mar 2016 #62
I'm well aware of your position on American manufacturing DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #63
People want high quality, inexpensive stuff. Carrier, Toyota, Samsung, etc., are proof of that. Hoyt Mar 2016 #66
Am I correct in assuming you're a Boomer? n/t DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #75
Free trade is not free. WDIM Mar 2016 #58
yup ibegurpard Mar 2016 #73
20th Anniversary of NAFTA Article Billsmile Mar 2016 #72
In the context of about 50 million net new jobs having been created since then Recursion Mar 2016 #78
What kind of jobs lost vs. what kind gained, do you know? polly7 Mar 2016 #85
Yes, factory jobs have been disappearing since WWII Recursion Mar 2016 #88
What types of better paying jobs are replacing them? polly7 Mar 2016 #92
Why were they disappearing in the 1950s? Recursion Mar 2016 #95
I'm asking you about now. polly7 Mar 2016 #96
All? Definitely not. Most are. Recursion Mar 2016 #98
Hard to believe anyone here supports outsourcing hundreds of thousands of polly7 Mar 2016 #100
The data are very clear: the last 20 years were much better than the 20 years before them Recursion Mar 2016 #74
My $17.50 tech support job cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #80
Bookmarking to read later. Thank you! Lucinda Mar 2016 #87
Sir, idk you or your story but... Armymedic88 Mar 2016 #89
I can not believe what I'm reading, malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #90
TPP is in the Democratic Party Platform for a reason. Anti-NAFTA spin is pushed hard by the RW ucrdem Mar 2016 #97
JFK had been president for two and a half years by then. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #103
Nope. Sept 26, 1960: "I'm not satisfied until every American enjoys full constitutional rights. ucrdem Mar 2016 #104
And then he left the Freedom Riders totally unprotected against the white mobs. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #105
Nope. Kennedy sent 400 federal marshals to protect the freedom riders. ucrdem Mar 2016 #109
It's in our party's platform Recursion Mar 2016 #99
As a resident of Dayton I second your statement!! Armymedic88 Mar 2016 #101
+10! Can't be said enough. Offshoring started so long before NAFTA that GM was RETURNING in '93: ucrdem Mar 2016 #93
Oh jeez, it's the Washington Post?! PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #111
. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #118
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