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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I am not bothering with the story we just ran [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)108. Ok let's unpack this
But in my eyes, that's probably a good thing.
Cannot find the links.
But I'll take a stab at it: You believe you're doing "analysis" but the low info types can't process it from an intellectual standpoint? Is that roughly in the same ballpark?
The low info types is self defense. This kind of analysis is done regularly in places like oh SOUTH OF THE US BORDER... where elections are not a game, or a horse race. They are dead serious. Many Americans have been trained to take any election in this way. A race, a horse race, and a game. Until that changes... and usual symptoms include loyalty oaths, and shady attacks like this one.
You're not a fan of Dems or Obama. I've read enough of your postings here (and elsewhere) to determine that, despite your bleating today.
Again we cannot find the links. Obama is a fairly decent president, but like most we will not know the full effect for at least 10 years. This is a rule about legacies, and at least those of us who are responsible wait that long.
For example, the legacy of Reagan was not clear until way later, and the legacy of "free trade" agreements is now not just felt in the US, but also in places like oh Mexico, and it has not been good. As to democrats, depends which democrats, I am not a fan of conservadems. mostly because neoliberal policies, done by both parties, have led to a crisis of trust and an economic crisis and the disappearance of the middle class. The 2008 economic crisis s the first crisis where wages have not gone up, for example, after we officially left it.
Now I do love some of my local legislators, who are left of the neoliberal wing of the democratic party and are fighting for silly shit like raising the minimum wage, (needed,) and a few other things like paying cheer leaders at the very least the minimum wage, which the NFL did not particularly like.
How do you like your crow? Oh and do not bother, I will not further waste my time with you.
For the record, the democrats are becoming a right wing conservative, business friendly party, so party realignments are what they are. Sorry for going all intellectual and stuff on you.
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I think Donald Trump could be considered the splinter party on the right.
DemocracyDirect
Mar 2016
#26
"I have seen a lot of advances - albeit more slowly than I'd have liked"
passiveporcupine
Mar 2016
#159
I'm tired of the math. I don't think that is his aim - he's an agent of change and he's staying in.
snowy owl
Mar 2016
#162
Too many people are blinded by partisanship and the "My Way is the Only Way", in this country to
-none
Mar 2016
#5
Correct. Clinton wouldn't have stood a chance in anything resembling a fair primary election. [nt]
Coincidence
Mar 2016
#80
Exactly. They need to learn they need to WORK for a goal. There are no Participation Trophies in
beaglelover
Mar 2016
#170
Thanks for your ridiculous assumption that I am a "Hillary supporter". nt
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2016
#33
I am sorry that you also cannot recognize what once was done in US press
nadinbrzezinski
Mar 2016
#99
What candidate Obama had was a well run organization that grew as the GE approached.
peace13
Mar 2016
#104
Fortunately for Hillary, both parties are nominating their weakest candidates
lagomorph777
Mar 2016
#171
OMG- she "even got angry"?!?!?! Well, let's burn her at the stake, cause she stole his schtick!
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#41
I don't see an issue with "she got angry", I think it is laughably sexist. SMH
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#44
Nope. Bernie was adored for being "angry" but a woman? Well, that is still beyond the pale according
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#58
You said that the fact that she showed anger made her weak. Yet everyone else is allowed to. Bull.
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#61
you welcomed me to your list 4-5 times already, Nadin. But it's okay for you to be angry too!
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#67
Even assuming a Clinton nomination, these insurgent candidacies are bound to spur realignment.
Marr
Mar 2016
#65
It will become interesting with what the NY Times did with the story about Bernie.
LiberalArkie
Mar 2016
#93
Then what does it say about Sanders' strength as a candidate seeing how he has
Trust Buster
Mar 2016
#106
I like mine served that way too, though I'll have a nice glass of port if you please. :)
2banon
Mar 2016
#142
It is much more than net neutrality, Hillary will be the Democratic President who presides over
TumbleAndJumble
Mar 2016
#148
Hillary isn't the weakest candidate, Bernie is. That's just the facts. nt
BreakfastClub
Mar 2016
#166