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2016 Postmortem

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nadinbrzezinski

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Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:41 AM Mar 2016

On calls for Bernie Supporters to give up [View all]

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back in 2008 HRC staid until the bitter end. She could not get it either. Mathematically she was out actually earlier than Tuesday. As to the mathematically... it is nearly impossible right now for Sanders, but stranger things have happened in politics. So why would a politician do that? Well, if you know how politics is played you would understand it, and would prefer it, even if you support HRC at this point. The reasons go from the purely banal (not on the part of the campaign mind you), to the very political.

The banal, well I would like to have my say... and most states have yet to vote. I find the primary system to be a serious problem becuase the country is not center right, but reforms to this system will not come until we have a very serious crisis. So yes, I would like to have my vote. Who I vote for is my business. (and quite frankly the primary as usual is an after thought for me at this point)

But the political is what matters.

The larger the delegate count, the more yes demands in the actual party platform that Sanders can put in. He can also have a role in how the policies of the party are written. If he folds now, that power will be minimal. This is why Clinton staid to the bitter end in 2008.

So folding now means conceding any kind of role that he has earned. This is why he will stay until the convention or until money runs out.

This is how the game is played. Why many of the Hillary supporters want him to drop out. I would recommend you take a hint from her and just let the process play out. She said as much the other day.

As to attacks and smears. Pointing out that HRC voted to go to war is not a smear. Those have started for real, and if you believe those are smears... ohh boy. will be fun to watch. Becuase what is coming is epic.

Oh and one last thing... from talking to people (mostly online this week), the tone and vitriol on message boards will depress the vote. It is just one more reason. I doubt it is the only reason for voters to stay home or vote third party, but you people will need these voters to replace the legion of conservadems that will cross for Trump. This is not idle speculation, This is history. This is the Reagan and Bush coalition all over again. So as much as some of you do despise the left, guess what skippy, you need them to win. All I am going to say is keep it up. I'm gong to enjoy the show. And god knows it is quite a show. What happened to that boring primary I was promised? One party going away, possibly one brokered convention, maybe two (Mathematically depending on the modeling you use, and I hate math) it is possible that neither Clinton or Sanders will reach the pledged delegates. It is unlikely but this one of those years.


What is not to like, really

For the record, this betrays the growing political instability in the United States. There I go again, doing actual analysis. When will I learn to just stick to puppies, entertainment and car chases?

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On calls for Bernie Supporters to give up [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 OP
Always enjoy reading your posts, so thank you. Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #1
The math is what it is nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #7
You guys will put Bernie over the top RobertEarl Mar 2016 #75
At this point I can't see any good reason for Sanders thucythucy Mar 2016 #2
Wut?... SidDithers Mar 2016 #3
I just want Sanders supporters to admit firebrand80 Mar 2016 #4
How many votes in the GE have you just lost, Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #8
I suspect none firebrand80 Mar 2016 #10
You are wrong Kalidurga Mar 2016 #54
Very wrong...is this the only place you frequent...get out more. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #61
Except I am seeing this crap not just on DU nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #62
Why should they? If you were here in 2008, HRC followers did not until she conceedd nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #9
and anyone who thought Hillary would still be the nominee firebrand80 Mar 2016 #11
No they were not nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #12
Voting to send a message or whatever else is fine firebrand80 Mar 2016 #14
It does not matter why they vote nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #19
I'm certain that my actions firebrand80 Mar 2016 #24
And I am certain that your actions in the collective nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #25
so you were not here then Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #16
yes I was nt firebrand80 Mar 2016 #18
what was your old name? Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #20
I don't even remember firebrand80 Mar 2016 #23
I just want Clinton supporters to admit HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #45
Well played! Welcome to DU! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #51
In '08, Clinton took it all the way. I see no reason for Bernie to do differently. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #5
Thanks for your voice of reason. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #6
Hillary wins regardless workinclasszero Mar 2016 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #68
At least I respect Don Quixote. Those who do not give up in the face of long odds are courageous. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #79
This Bernie supporter is going to give up. I am going to give on trying to reason with people who Vincardog Mar 2016 #15
There is that, why there is a list of people I do not engage nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #17
Well, of the twenty posts that exist ... Trajan Mar 2016 #21
I just do not use the ignore feature any more nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #22
Well ... I have neither the time nor sentiment to listen to that crap Trajan Mar 2016 #47
I don't listen to that crap nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #58
Mathematically, most (26) states have already voted. LonePirate Mar 2016 #26
It is silly to ask people (or the campaing) for different reasons mind you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #27
I agree the race is not over. We're merely at half-time, roughly. LonePirate Mar 2016 #32
There's no reason for him to give up now gwheezie Mar 2016 #28
You know when you use actual democrats term nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #29
Because it's a democratic primary gwheezie Mar 2016 #35
And there are open primary states nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #42
Well I quess he could still win gwheezie Mar 2016 #43
The problem is who those independents in open primary states are breaking to nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #60
I have talked to Indies who voted in the primary in va gwheezie Mar 2016 #67
Exactly nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #69
You're quite correct about independents deciding the election. Utopian Leftist Mar 2016 #73
It is the cycle we are living though. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #74
Sorry your text got cut off . . . Utopian Leftist Mar 2016 #83
The key behind the 47% is turnout, in fact. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #80
The Romney comment Utopian Leftist Mar 2016 #82
I don;t want Sanders supporters giving up. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #30
And watching these kinds of comments depress the vote nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #36
Anonymus posts on an internet forum depress the vote? MohRokTah Mar 2016 #38
Do you realize that anonymous posts on a forum don't stay on that forum? ebayfool Mar 2016 #59
Ok why do you think campaigns (at all levels) ask people to talk nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #65
Not nearly as entertaining as your comical ineptitude with arithmetic. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #46
Name one person that is urging Bernie to drop out of the race....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #31
Are you reading DU? Perhaps we are reading parallel sites nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #37
save your condescending snarky remarks.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #40
Not condesencion nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #41
... LexVegas Mar 2016 #33
I have read this three times and still can't make sense of it. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #39
"Staid"? What!?!? PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #34
Besides, it's to HRC's advantage that Sanders stays in. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #44
Exactly. That's what happened to McCain in 2008 democrattotheend Mar 2016 #49
At least they aren't ignoring us. And, if Hillary loses the GE.. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #48
It is more than conservative dems that are crossing the line for Trump. The Democrats need to Skwmom Mar 2016 #50
From what we have as evidence nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #72
obama supporter Mary Mac Mar 2016 #52
How rude you are. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #64
Why should they? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #66
Campaigns end when donors stop donating when the numbers get tough. Bernie does not have corporate thereismore Mar 2016 #53
I fail to see how calling for Bernie to drop out now mountain grammy Mar 2016 #55
It's only halftime. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #56
Excellent analysis and unfortunate math. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #57
Correct nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #63
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #70
Kick for afternoon nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #71
I know your candidate is behind but I agree you should not give up. zappaman Mar 2016 #76
You funny nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #77
I understand everyone can have an opinion demtenjeep Mar 2016 #78
Thank you. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #81
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