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Maedhros

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107. They are masters of doublethink.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016
Doublethink is the act of ordinary people simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Somewhat related but almost the opposite is cognitive dissonance, where contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance — thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

George Orwell created the word doublethink in his dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984); doublethink is part of newspeak. In the novel, its origin within the typical citizen is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother's formal brainwashing programmes,[2] the novel explicitly shows people learning Doublethink and newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to "fit in", or gain status within the Party — to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize – let alone mention – any contradiction within the context of the Party line was akin to blasphemy, and could subject that someone to possible disciplinary action and to the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members.


For example, Hillary's campaign has claimed two contradictory beliefs as correct:

Funding campaigns with corporate money is great!

and

Hillary is a proud progressive!

Note that a key component of doublethink is that it is "notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance — thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction." Thus, the ability to sleep at night knowing that they support the campaign of a politician who stands diametrically opposed to many of the core beliefs they claim to have.
... Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #1
Loved the cowpoke using a lint roller on his jacket. senz Mar 2016 #71
K&R and completely agree. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #2
They won, so they get to twist the knife and dance on our graves. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #3
No, they have not won yet. sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #5
And don't forget that her firewall states floriduck Mar 2016 #89
Irrelevant that the states are red JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #96
They did well YESTERDAY, but not as well as expected, and they have NOT won yet. kath Mar 2016 #6
They have made it very clear they don't want our votes jfern Mar 2016 #12
No, they want them.. They just think you have nowhere else to go.... tokenlib Mar 2016 #20
Bulworth said it best eggman67 Mar 2016 #58
I've been told more than once on this site that my vote isn't needed. vintx Mar 2016 #91
What do you want? You want us to beg? fun n serious Mar 2016 #94
They are trying to hide reality as shown visually in this graph Dragonfli Mar 2016 #4
300+ delegates is quite far behind, actually, especially in a proportional system. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #10
But far from hopeless or an assured victory Dragonfli Mar 2016 #23
That's what Hillary thought in 2008 when her deficit was 1/3 of Bernies. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #25
Now I understand why people keep screaming so loudly that the supers shouldn't matter Number23 Mar 2016 #56
Absolutely. Fact is that the process is what it is, and the Supers have never decided who won. stevenleser Mar 2016 #64
Math, it's not for everyone. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #103
And she stayed in until June. TM99 Mar 2016 #88
And I wanted her to get out earlier. We're lucky it didn't cost us. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #90
Yeah, you hated her then and love her now. TM99 Mar 2016 #100
And I cite the reason which of course you will gloss over. But the proof is all over GD-P stevenleser Mar 2016 #101
Why must we be graceful when TM99 Mar 2016 #104
There are actually 2,087 remaining delegates. DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #18
If the gap widens any more, then its time to worry. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #66
I'm concerned about Arizona. Closed primary and poll numbers look pretty bad. DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #72
I think he has to win 62% of remaining delegates to win. yardwork Mar 2016 #99
As a working class white guy I feel increasingly unwelcome in the Democratic Party. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #7
+1000000 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #11
+1000 nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #98
It sure seems like the third way is determined Mnpaul Mar 2016 #122
Their hubris will be their downfall. Just like 2000. They despise the Left rhett o rick Mar 2016 #8
Some people on the internet want your candidate to drop out. You call that voter intimidation? MadBadger Mar 2016 #9
Excellent - you just proved her point jillan Mar 2016 #13
Great job providing a perfect example. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #16
There are a whole lot of overreactions on this board. MadBadger Mar 2016 #19
Such as yours. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #22
Overreaction?? tokenlib Mar 2016 #26
Jim Crow anybody? That's what intimidation looks like MadBadger Mar 2016 #29
You can't be serious. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #31
Oh they're serious. They're completely melodramatic with anything said about Bernie stevenleser Mar 2016 #34
Well, he implies Sanders supporters are idiots who don't know the basics of history jeff47 Mar 2016 #75
Given that certain Sanders supporters seem to equate the absence of an echo chamber NuclearDem Mar 2016 #78
If it was a frank discussion, then it wouldn't be an example jeff47 Mar 2016 #80
Anonymous sarcasm and ridicule do not constitute intimidation and suppression. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #86
You mean like the ones that Howard Dean has encountered? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #105
I never mentioned Howard Dean. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #114
Sorry, not just some, it seems to be the meme of the day. sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #24
Do they give an "Or else...?" MadBadger Mar 2016 #28
Oh, give me a break. You are fooling no one. It is intimidation and you are going on my ignore list. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #33
Good call! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #62
I'll buy that for a dollar! [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #106
If Hillary is the nominee Trump will be President. He will destroy her. She does not jillan Mar 2016 #49
Okay MadBadger Mar 2016 #50
More than half the pledged delegates are no longer up for grabs. MohRokTah Mar 2016 #14
Bernie's funds will slowly evaporate as his delegate count fails to keep pace. oasis Mar 2016 #36
The tactics, the words, this "you have nowhere else to go"... tokenlib Mar 2016 #15
Let's see.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #17
"reminds me of repug tactics". William769 Mar 2016 #21
Pictured below: voter intimidation and suppression. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #27
Exactly MadBadger Mar 2016 #35
+1 betsuni Mar 2016 #73
+ 100 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #108
Those states are still going to vote KingFlorez Mar 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #32
That's like the definition of suppression MadBadger Mar 2016 #37
That's pretty funny, considering that GusBob is a huge HRC supporter...false flag at its finest! nt djean111 Mar 2016 #84
Nope, no longer possible. The 5 hide suspension is itself suspended stevenleser Mar 2016 #39
It is very interesting that you seem to be a part of this. eom sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #41
What is your issue with the site-owner's decision? Hekate Mar 2016 #43
No, apparently they take orders from me, haven't you heard? It's Leser Underground! stevenleser Mar 2016 #48
Now I'm pissed. NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #69
I know, right? I'm pissed too. I want my share of the profits, retroactive to 2001. stevenleser Mar 2016 #70
To answer your question, her issue is that silencing Hillary supporters was an organized tactic stevenleser Mar 2016 #54
How about melman Mar 2016 #63
How do you know that? I don't think that is a safe assumption. stevenleser Mar 2016 #67
LOL, what are you accusing me of now? Don't be shy, spell it out, because it sounds like stevenleser Mar 2016 #44
Now THAT is disgusting and Un-democratic. Hekate Mar 2016 #40
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service.. nc4bo Mar 2016 #52
Gusbob messaged me, he was being sarcastic. I thought that could be the case but I told him... stevenleser Mar 2016 #65
Tsk. This is just a discussion board. In real life I expect most of the Dem voters... Hekate Mar 2016 #38
Like x 1000000 AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #53
LET them scream. John Poet Mar 2016 #42
Bernie supporters will either show up for Hillary or they won't. Chichiri Mar 2016 #45
And every dollar being spent having to campaign against Bernie NuclearDem Mar 2016 #47
Precisely. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #55
Again, what it comes down to is a simple issue of "the numbers" Tarc Mar 2016 #46
I can understand their attitude HassleCat Mar 2016 #51
I understand a lot of this, but their effort to sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #60
WA voter here. Voting for Bernie on March 26! liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #61
After a year of running a campaign claiming that anyone who didn't support their candidate jfern Mar 2016 #57
Won't matter if the primary is over or not. gcomeau Mar 2016 #81
Bernie should have threatened a 3rd party run if they ddin't treat him with jfern Mar 2016 #111
That is not Bernie though Mnpaul Mar 2016 #118
Don't forget that Bernie will need all the help he can get should he win the nomination alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #59
Thank you, and it would need a terrific effort sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #68
If they really belived Bernie had no chance, Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #74
Suppression? Don't you think you are going overboard with this? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #76
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #77
So now Bernie fans are down to issuing threats? workinclasszero Mar 2016 #79
Reminds me of this scene UglyGreed Mar 2016 #82
How does one sleep at night NowSam Mar 2016 #83
They are masters of doublethink. Maedhros Mar 2016 #107
I say the same thing to everyone: Do not base your vote on the supporters of any candidate. merrily Mar 2016 #85
So you're making unfounded accusations about them? We're a bit disgusted too, we see the synergie Mar 2016 #87
I don't know who has been saying that fun n serious Mar 2016 #92
Trash & Ignore are my favorite features - I don't see most of the nasty anymore. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #93
Um, *lynching* is voter suppression. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #95
this obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #97
K&R warrprayer Mar 2016 #102
DUs very own Bastille Day. Lot's of returning Hillary folk. I wonder where they have been? LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #109
Our voices were "supressed", to use the OP's term. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #110
Thank you! improvingthecountry Mar 2016 #112
Well, then you know how many HRC supporters feel about BS supporters. book_worm Mar 2016 #113
Hillary is not a Democrat... Rockyj Mar 2016 #115
You call it the "Democrat" party? That's what we call a "tell" in poker. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #119
I agree. Power hungry type. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #116
I've never not voted for any presidential candidate but Democratic. I'll be on the fence if Sanders Vote2016 Mar 2016 #117
She won't need all the help she can get... smiley Mar 2016 #120
GOTV for Bernie. Let's go to the Convention with as much jwirr Mar 2016 #121
The purpose of the primary is to elect a president, not line Tad Devine's and Jeff Weaver's pockets Renew Deal Mar 2016 #123
It took you this long? The DU supporters on this board have been trying to intimidate since 2008 Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #124
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