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snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
162. I'm tired of the math. I don't think that is his aim - he's an agent of change and he's staying in.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:17 AM
Mar 2016

Probabilities are that he won't win the nomination. But he's giving a rational to keep everyone trying. He has to stay in to keep Hillary honest. He has to stay in to keep his message alive from state to state to state. I'm bankrolling him just for those things. Wasserman-schultz has an opponent that is channeling Bernie. His message is the seed that will grow if he gives it enough time,light and whatever it takes to keep it alive. Hillary will be judged daily on the promises she made all the way up to the election.

He's not dumb. He knows what he's doing. Screw MSNBC. Screw Maddow and Hayes. Screw Toad and Matthews. Bernie is waking up a sleeping electorate and he's too smart not to know it. He is also to smart not to let on that he understands the math. He is the best we've had in a long, long time and may be the best we'll have had for a long, long time if young people don't hear and keep the message going. They've had a taste. He may have changed a generation.

And if young people get screwed even more by a republican government, they will be the true agents of change because they will carry Bernies message to its right and just end. I believe this: it will not be our former Goldwater girl.

I am not so sure the Democratic Party will continue drifting rightward. femmedem Mar 2016 #1
My take is that while young progressives won't give up on their views... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #2
I think Donald Trump could be considered the splinter party on the right. DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #26
Perhaps so. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #27
Aren't the Dems the "alternative conservative party"now? villager Mar 2016 #78
That's a very good point. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #82
That's exactly it. No substantial choices to the left of center-right villager Mar 2016 #83
I think you answered your own question Fairgo Mar 2016 #122
I'm a little weary of this narrative. I was once a young progressive... LisaM Mar 2016 #114
What I am seeing is a very serious party realighment nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #121
Democrats are only 29% of the electorate anymore. Independents 43% riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #139
Your daughter gets it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #144
"I have seen a lot of advances - albeit more slowly than I'd have liked" passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #159
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #12
They won't even vote, much less identify with the party. Why would they? Doctor_J Mar 2016 #19
That is the other possibility, for sure. femmedem Mar 2016 #24
I believe it will - why? Money and the elite class rurallib Mar 2016 #29
It will. gcomeau Mar 2016 #71
I did the math on several models today SheenaR Mar 2016 #3
Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #10
Sanders still hasn't won a major urban area in a primary alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author SheenaR Mar 2016 #18
Excellent post... SidDithers Mar 2016 #48
I don't know why I took you off my ignore list Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author TransitJohn Mar 2016 #172
I would guess they are waiting for post-results surveys DrDan Mar 2016 #46
I'm tired of the math. I don't think that is his aim - he's an agent of change and he's staying in. snowy owl Mar 2016 #162
Trump is going dooooown! JaneyVee Mar 2016 #4
+1 nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #6
To DC floriduck Mar 2016 #63
You wish. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #150
Too many people are blinded by partisanship and the "My Way is the Only Way", in this country to -none Mar 2016 #5
I'm not giving up on Bernie. Cleita Mar 2016 #7
Oh please don't nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #14
Young people wanted Sanders. Hissyspit Mar 2016 #8
If young people really want systemic change... Adrahil Mar 2016 #20
^^^ THIS ^^^^ n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #31
It has been tried zalinda Mar 2016 #90
Exactly! Spazito Mar 2016 #60
If young people really want systemic change... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #70
And that's the elephant in the room Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #74
Correct. Clinton wouldn't have stood a chance in anything resembling a fair primary election. [nt] Coincidence Mar 2016 #80
How about they actively involve themselves in the process Buzz cook Mar 2016 #84
How about they actively involve themselves in the process AlbertCat Mar 2016 #117
Locally the kids have triied, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #126
I mean Buzz cook Mar 2016 #165
And let's not forget the big money d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #146
That's an excuse. Adrahil Mar 2016 #158
Are you serious? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #164
Kind of hard when the Establishment frustates all grass-roots activism. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #168
Exactly. They need to learn they need to WORK for a goal. There are no Participation Trophies in beaglelover Mar 2016 #170
She will destroy Trump oberliner Mar 2016 #9
Bingo n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #32
There are not enough angry white males to get Trump elected. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #118
"democrats are about to nominate the weakest candidate" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #11
Thanks Hillary supporter for your perspective n/t SheenaR Mar 2016 #16
Thanks for your ridiculous assumption that I am a "Hillary supporter". nt BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #33
Assumption? SheenaR Mar 2016 #36
You checked my "recs" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #38
It's common practice SheenaR Mar 2016 #43
I am a Barack Obama supporter BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #52
Funny how so many repeat disruptors JTFrog Mar 2016 #124
Yes. Those who discourage us ARE Hill supporters. senz Mar 2016 #120
I support almost all of Bernie's positions BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #127
Two things. senz Mar 2016 #140
ONE thing BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #145
Not true, BumRushDaShow. senz Mar 2016 #161
You can keep justifying it all you want BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #167
Am not going to argue or take the bait nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #17
Sorry your candidate lost last night. zappaman Mar 2016 #21
My candidate, now that was FUNNY nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #22
right, you aren't partisan for either side, uh huh still_one Mar 2016 #25
Nope. zappaman Mar 2016 #35
... Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #55
"Am not going to argue or take the bait" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #37
That is called analysis nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #40
Ahh... the low information schtick BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #47
Nope, just a different model of media nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #49
I'm afraid that the "victimhood-card" is yours BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #54
You are the one using the usual terms, not me nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #56
So you are still deflecting from my question BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #62
The poster is in the tank for Bernie CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #89
I am sorry that you also cannot recognize what once was done in US press nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #99
I'm not sure I follow you CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #103
Ok let's unpack this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #108
... CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #137
I think I love you! displacedtexan Mar 2016 #149
What candidate Obama had was a well run organization that grew as the GE approached. peace13 Mar 2016 #104
"He did not have the baggage of some of today's candidates." BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #116
We both have different perceptions of how it went down. peace13 Mar 2016 #141
My perception is at a higher level BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #147
Guilt? No... peace13 Mar 2016 #153
Unfortunately BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #155
Like all important firsts.. peace13 Mar 2016 #156
Agree BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #157
Fortunately for Hillary, both parties are nominating their weakest candidates lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #171
None of this addresses the original assertion BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #173
TPTB WANT the Democratic Party to split in order to split the left. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #13
I'm afraid you are right. I'm not speaking for myself mmonk Mar 2016 #23
Voting in RIGGED in this country for the elitist bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #28
Clinton has withstood repug bashing for 25 years and is still standing brush Mar 2016 #30
I agree with you. The people who support Trump now spooky3 Mar 2016 #96
Sanders has lost more elections than Clinton has been in. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #34
How many elections has HRC been in? I know of 2 GummyBearz Mar 2016 #72
You didn't refute my point in one single way. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #88
I think she will easily defeat that POS. MoonRiver Mar 2016 #39
OMG- she "even got angry"?!?!?! Well, let's burn her at the stake, cause she stole his schtick! bettyellen Mar 2016 #41
Your hyperbole, not mine nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #42
I don't see an issue with "she got angry", I think it is laughably sexist. SMH bettyellen Mar 2016 #44
Ah there goes another attempt at a bait nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #57
Nope. Bernie was adored for being "angry" but a woman? Well, that is still beyond the pale according bettyellen Mar 2016 #58
Nope, not taking the bait nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #59
You said that the fact that she showed anger made her weak. Yet everyone else is allowed to. Bull. bettyellen Mar 2016 #61
Nope you are having a hard time making that case nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #64
you welcomed me to your list 4-5 times already, Nadin. But it's okay for you to be angry too! bettyellen Mar 2016 #67
Boom. zappaman Mar 2016 #119
well that's all good and well however when it comes to the GE azurnoir Mar 2016 #45
So why DON'T you want to bother us with the story 'we' just ran? randome Mar 2016 #50
No need mostly nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #51
No fava beans? Raster Mar 2016 #53
Even assuming a Clinton nomination, these insurgent candidacies are bound to spur realignment. Marr Mar 2016 #65
Yup, one I predicted over a decade ago nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #66
I Think It Comes Down to a Few Factors SDJay Mar 2016 #68
I await the split... SoapBox Mar 2016 #69
She is the most effective GOTV motivator the GOP will ever have. Myrina Mar 2016 #75
Hillary supporters don't even realize when they vote for Hillary they A Simple Game Mar 2016 #76
Far more technical about this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #77
I hate it when you're right. white_wolf Mar 2016 #79
Hey I am not telling anybody to fall in line nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #81
Nadin.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #85
I was thinking Mondale personally nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #87
Yes it would... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #101
Interesting tea leaves nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #102
Agree...but for the GOP LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #105
Add to the mix the democrats who will massively cross over nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #109
BINGO!!! LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #111
Hey can't wait nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #112
No, They Can't.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #113
And I think he is under estimating Trumpism nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #115
Probably so... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #123
I know nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #125
A strange thing happened while I was waiting to vote in Ohio PFunk1 Mar 2016 #86
We heard these stories thoguhout nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #92
We are on a glide path to 3 (or even 4) Parties in the near future... Moostache Mar 2016 #91
I agree, but for this to be viable nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #94
The Crisis is near... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #130
It tickles... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #131
And Politics is a Sport... LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #133
Well to me it is deadly serious nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #134
It will become interesting with what the NY Times did with the story about Bernie. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #93
That was full on propaganda nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #95
So correct. 24 states still will vote. Their vote in the primary jwirr Mar 2016 #97
Do not misundersdand I do analysis nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #98
K&R jwirr Mar 2016 #100
Then what does it say about Sanders' strength as a candidate seeing how he has Trust Buster Mar 2016 #106
BS. Bernie was a longshot from the beginning, and remains a long shot magical thyme Mar 2016 #107
Am I telling you to fall in? NOPE, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #110
He will be and he'll be bargaining with Hillary who needs his endorsement. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #128
And that is why people here want him to drop nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #129
I'm a Hillary supporter. Bernie should stay in the race. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #135
Very much agreed nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #136
Cool. I'm not bothering with it either so we have that in common! zappaman Mar 2016 #132
You're probably too dumb to understand the analysis anyway CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #138
The analysis is there, you just have to Google it and stop being DUMB! randome Mar 2016 #151
I like mine served that way too, though I'll have a nice glass of port if you please. :) 2banon Mar 2016 #142
It's already started nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #143
It is much more than net neutrality, Hillary will be the Democratic President who presides over TumbleAndJumble Mar 2016 #148
Hillary Clinton is the STRONGEST Democratic candidate in decades. Metric System Mar 2016 #152
lolz obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #154
bookmarked demtenjeep Mar 2016 #160
I am taking those odds nadin. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #163
Hillary isn't the weakest candidate, Bernie is. That's just the facts. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #166
Where did your story run? I'd love to read it! beaglelover Mar 2016 #169
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