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2016 Postmortem

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KoKo

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136. No one hopes More...that something will come of this "Investigation"
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

than those of us following the "trials and tribulations" of the Clintons, (and those before them..that helped bring them to power) who live in fear that eventually there might be an American Awakening.

As, those of us who've been around awhile...following this stuff for years,...and the honest reporters (not the Fox News Crew & Neocon supporters) who tried to expose what was going on to the American People...but were always discredited, and in many cases, driven out of their jobs, for doing investigative reporting have sadly learned..the "Media, Industrial, Corporate & Military Contingent" has the power.

And, that power has only grown in strength through two terms of Reagan I & II, Poppy Bush I, Clinton I & II, followed Bush I & II (stolen election) and then followed by Obama, I & II, (the clean up act), who had a mighty job ahead of him when he promised "Hope and Change." But, the system was sadly so corrupted by 2008 that it was obvious that two terms of Obama couldn't even hope to change much. Obama did manage to do some positive things....but, could never address the fundamental rot at the heart of the system because it is more powerful than the President, at this point.

Server [View all] H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
Those willing to "Fall on Swords" FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #1
I think that it H2O Man Mar 2016 #24
You most certainly are quite correct FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #30
Interesting. H2O Man Mar 2016 #36
Given the possible outcome and Republicans holding their powder dry FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #49
There will probably be 2 or 3 more SCOTUS vacancies over the next 4 to 8 years, so just tblue37 Mar 2016 #55
The point I am making exactly FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #60
I think we all have to face the possibility that neither candidate will be the Democratic leveymg Mar 2016 #158
My preference would be for O'Malley to un-suspend his campaign. grasswire Mar 2016 #163
I don't think people are going to accept that. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #170
The DNC can NOT appoint a nominee who didn't campaign. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #178
If that's a Conv. rule (and I don't think so) the Rules Cmte. can and will change it, if need be. leveymg Mar 2016 #185
But one wonders what Obama may be thinking... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #208
I'm not sure that he takes it quite so personally. leveymg Mar 2016 #211
Interesting...thanks for the info, leveymg... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #214
But Christie wasn't perceived as a poor little picked-on thing, either. senz Mar 2016 #88
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #90
good question floppyboo Mar 2016 #2
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2016 #25
I'm thinking that H2O Man Mar 2016 #81
Yes! Great job with the thanks to all POV's! floppyboo Mar 2016 #91
The "Hillary step aside" part doesn't ring true. senz Mar 2016 #94
copying this pic for future use! floppyboo Mar 2016 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #183
LOL! The psychological similarity is obvious, isn't it? senz Mar 2016 #192
Lots of people in denial about this one. I've read some great articles and seen a great video pdsimdars Mar 2016 #3
The thing is a private email account is not the same thing as a private server. vintx Mar 2016 #6
correct grasswire Mar 2016 #37
Fig leaf - do you mean as a peace offering... dchill Mar 2016 #92
the latter grasswire Mar 2016 #97
Oh, right! dchill Mar 2016 #103
Agree. This is one of the biggest elephants in the room. nt floppyboo Mar 2016 #7
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #199
One of the things H2O Man Mar 2016 #27
. DURHAM D Mar 2016 #4
Thanks for some perspective on this. It's the last hope for Sanders, so his supporters are willing Hoyt Mar 2016 #15
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #28
One only needs to see their homepage: Contrary1 Mar 2016 #32
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #38
Daily News Spin senz Mar 2016 #96
"Bin" is more appropriate Oilwellian Mar 2016 #160
lol, then it's well named. senz Mar 2016 #168
One needs only to see the word :opinion: in the link to realize they will be reading an editorial/ Hiraeth Mar 2016 #191
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2016 #39
daily news bin is not a legitimate site grasswire Mar 2016 #40
Wow. That article is really wrong. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #78
I am more concerned about her cozy relationship with Saudi and other corrupt regime, revealed in kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #5
the republican party will not be able to argue this point floppyboo Mar 2016 #12
You know how Republican Party has disintegrated... from inside. If we do not correct corruption in kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #16
I believe you are right floppyboo Mar 2016 #23
That's one way to put it. senz Mar 2016 #99
It has already corrupted, imo. 840high Mar 2016 #29
Trump's an isolationist who's remaking the party in his own image MisterP Mar 2016 #57
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #34
Nailed it. Some wrong doing, and people other than Hillary will be identified as being responsible. Autumn Mar 2016 #8
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #42
...! you were not alone.. KoKo Mar 2016 #76
I don't want to do it again. Autumn Mar 2016 #80
I agree with both you and H2O Man dana_b Mar 2016 #100
The rich and powerful really are different from us. Autumn Mar 2016 #102
And, "Turning Washington into a Liar's Club" --Richard Reeves KoKo Mar 2016 #188
Same here senz Mar 2016 #107
Yep, me too... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #209
That is the big question. mmonk Mar 2016 #9
Indeed, it is! H2O Man Mar 2016 #43
our party is accustomed to defending our candidates against spurious and invented charges bigtree Mar 2016 #10
If one believes H2O Man Mar 2016 #44
Thread win. ucrdem Mar 2016 #118
Maybe DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #143
Yep. Shit flows down hill. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #11
It's the American way! H2O Man Mar 2016 #45
As someone who held a Secret Clearance throughout the 1970's-1980's and a Top Secret Clearance MgtPA Mar 2016 #13
When I leave the 840high Mar 2016 #31
Although I'm now retired, I still maintain contact with some of my similiarly-cleared colleagues MgtPA Mar 2016 #62
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #46
I'm waiting to hear that Sidney Blumenthal/Clinton Foundation is under the FBI microscope. MgtPA Mar 2016 #66
I believe that H2O Man Mar 2016 #72
I know that this will be shocking to some nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #127
Hillary had an obligation to fill out an ESAF for a lot of the enails NWCorona Mar 2016 #105
You cannot compare yourself to Hillary Abouttime Mar 2016 #173
Tell that to Richard Nixon. MgtPA Mar 2016 #175
I had a TS from the 80's til 2005. If I had done what Hillary did, or Petraeus, I would be in jail. peacebird Mar 2016 #207
The server was set up so that FoIA requests would return the answer, 'We have no records'. w4rma Mar 2016 #14
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #47
If that's true, it gives me the willies. senz Mar 2016 #108
"The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer." tk2kewl Mar 2016 #181
I think the timing of their investigation report is important DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #17
Great answer. H2O Man Mar 2016 #63
I believe this is what Bernie is telegraphing with his latest Superdelegate comments. N/t yodermon Mar 2016 #67
Interesting... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #213
Not convinced yet of Trump's opposition to Hill. senz Mar 2016 #111
I believe this statement to be very inaccurate.... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #18
I believe that H2O Man Mar 2016 #19
You then moved on to address it as if it's a larger point. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #20
Fair enough. H2O Man Mar 2016 #65
people inclined to take stock in anti-Hillary scandalmongering bigtree Mar 2016 #86
True, that. H2O Man Mar 2016 #89
I don't have any place in my mind where I find anything about the emails relevant bigtree Mar 2016 #106
I view this H2O Man Mar 2016 #109
I very much agree bigtree Mar 2016 #112
Some of us see great distance between Obama and Hillary. senz Mar 2016 #113
the end run around DoS with this server tk2kewl Mar 2016 #184
Yes, and no wonder they're investigating. senz Mar 2016 #193
From everything I have read... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #120
I wouldn't be so quick on the draw there hootinholler Mar 2016 #22
Yes. Watching good DUers pile onto this failed Benghazi is just embarrassing. ucrdem Mar 2016 #116
It's just foolishness to ignore this, or blame it on Sanders supporters. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #176
Not so much the e-mail's but what they may have revealed. KoKo Mar 2016 #21
As always, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #74
Please give this a look... KoKo Mar 2016 #124
Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does cantbeserious Mar 2016 #26
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #75
Two things bother me. Vinca Mar 2016 #33
Key point. H2O Man Mar 2016 #35
let's hope it comes before the convention. grasswire Mar 2016 #41
The general election could be the biggest embarrassment ever. Vinca Mar 2016 #51
yup floppyboo Mar 2016 #56
it won't dana_b Mar 2016 #104
That's already been discussed. randome Mar 2016 #48
That makes no sense. Vinca Mar 2016 #52
The GOP can make someone's life a living hell if they want. They don't need charges for that. randome Mar 2016 #54
I disagree. Vinca Mar 2016 #58
I agree, Vinca. H2O Man Mar 2016 #79
I find it interesting that you are so quick... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #215
There is a reason the GOP is not making anything out of this so far. randome Mar 2016 #50
You are smarter than that. grasswire Mar 2016 #53
LOL. Good one. Oh. Wait. You're serious. Sorry. My bad. Karmadillo Mar 2016 #59
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Mar 2016 #61
Were you alive during the Clinton administration? 8 years making something out of nothing. Autumn Mar 2016 #73
That's the bottom line question for me. 2banon Mar 2016 #64
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #69
I missed that post. My answer to that question would have been Hillary, of course! 2banon Mar 2016 #71
This is an election, not a pageant. Gregorian Mar 2016 #68
All of the polls H2O Man Mar 2016 #82
Good point. This is new criticism of Hillary, based on today. Not the 90's. Gregorian Mar 2016 #122
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #140
You have shown the spectrum of possible outcomes of the FBI investigation. panader0 Mar 2016 #70
Well said. H2O Man Mar 2016 #83
Nerve racking at least. mmonk Mar 2016 #121
I agree...to me, it's highly irresponsible... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #216
H2O Man, Clinton pay-to-play Saudi arms deal/Clinton Foundation... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #77
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #85
Her supporters wouldn't care if she stood in the middle of 5th Avenue and senz Mar 2016 #84
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #87
Respondeat superior Samantha Mar 2016 #93
Sam, I agree 100% H2O Man Mar 2016 #144
I think the series you mention would be an extremely worthwhile investment of your time Samantha Mar 2016 #156
My Cynical View As A Liberal Is This... ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #95
this is the thing, then......... grasswire Mar 2016 #101
I Agree, And I'm NOT GIVING UP... But What I See Going On NOW ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #110
well, what we are seeing is bigger than Hillary v. Bernie grasswire Mar 2016 #128
The struggle is ongoing. We keep going. mmonk Mar 2016 #129
I Got On Board For Bernie About 10 Months Ago... ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #162
It really is unbelievable. His own party sabotages him, MSM all but ignores him, and "journalists" agracie Mar 2016 #139
agracie... Been A Member Here since 2004 & A Member Of ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #161
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #145
I Was Too Young To Fully Understand The '68 Convention And All ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #166
NSA is a freaking vacuum cleaner. Ask Frank Church. Octafish Mar 2016 #114
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Mar 2016 #146
I truly enjoyed reading this post, Octafish Samantha Mar 2016 #164
Unindicted Co-Conspirator. I predict these words will be printed next to Hillary Clinton's name. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #115
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #147
Pithy. malthaussen Mar 2016 #221
Comey says the FBI report will be out by mid-May latest riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #117
May would be perfect timing to set up an open convention just like the Repubs possible scenario corkhead Mar 2016 #132
That is also possible nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #133
"a race against time" H2O Man Mar 2016 #148
That has been the case since the beginning. malthaussen Mar 2016 #222
Do I think Hillary will be frog marched-no way however azurnoir Mar 2016 #119
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2016 #149
I believe Hillary will agree to drop her quest for the Presidency in exchange for no indictment Samantha Mar 2016 #171
I will be brutally honest with you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #123
I understand. At this point, all sorts of possibilities. mmonk Mar 2016 #125
Agreed, at this point I am just stocking up on popcorm nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #126
!!!! H2O Man Mar 2016 #151
Good Points.... KoKo Mar 2016 #130
the instability in the system is real and we both know it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #131
I misspoke. "Early May" is the direct quote. riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #134
Take into account originally they were intending late december nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #135
No one hopes More...that something will come of this "Investigation" KoKo Mar 2016 #136
Yup, we have parallel government in place nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #137
"Parallel Government." KoKo Mar 2016 #138
kick ... and crying.... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #142
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #153
This is what I have heard as well Samantha Mar 2016 #165
That has been suggested nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #167
One issue I haven't seen much discussion about Oilwellian Mar 2016 #174
Yes, backing up on the cloud seems quite careless. mmonk Mar 2016 #180
I don't think Hillary knew the emails were backed up Oilwellian Mar 2016 #189
Interesting. Well someone wanted a record. mmonk Mar 2016 #197
I went back to a McClatchy piece I had read and it's titled: Oilwellian Mar 2016 #217
I wonder why they risk this much? Do they know consequences? kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #141
the Clintons? grasswire Mar 2016 #154
If they are not found guilty.... Do they feel totally safe with it.... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #155
Their egos tell them they can do whatever they want BECAUSE THEY ARE THE CLINTONS Samantha Mar 2016 #172
Exactly! H2O Man Mar 2016 #152
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2016 #150
Great discussion noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #159
Yup and that will bleed into politics nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #169
Watergate? So we're already talking about Obama and Lynch committing geek tragedy Mar 2016 #201
If they try to stonewall the investigation nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #203
Whose idea was it to use a private server? Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #157
Fair question. H2O Man Mar 2016 #182
No one is going to get into trouble for following a directive... joshcryer Mar 2016 #177
Interesting. H2O Man Mar 2016 #179
once the issue is in the rear view mirror and there's no more Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt talking geek tragedy Mar 2016 #186
Thanks H2O Man Mar 2016 #187
So you can't even imagine it going the other way? NWCorona Mar 2016 #200
No, and I hope every person guilty of pushing this bullshit will participate geek tragedy Mar 2016 #202
So if in fact something does come of it NWCorona Mar 2016 #204
define 'something' geek tragedy Mar 2016 #205
I don't know. NWCorona Mar 2016 #206
The very least that will be done due to this scandal will be... Oilwellian Mar 2016 #190
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2016 #195
Thank you so much, H2O Man, for continuing this discussion. FourScore Mar 2016 #194
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #196
YOU are starting to open up some decent conversations. FourScore Mar 2016 #198
No doubt they won't mention it until late. In the meantime, mmonk Mar 2016 #210
I believe I read... grasswire Mar 2016 #212
Kick--the elephant in the room. panader0 Mar 2016 #218
I consider it a dead issue. malthaussen Mar 2016 #219
This needs to be dealt with sooner than later. Slower awakening, worse it gets. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #220
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