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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

(73,321 posts)
51. Thank you!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

I appreciate your input. And, of course, I both agree and disagree with some of your points. However, I respect the manner in which you make them .....you prove that rational thought can lead to interesting conversations -- even on DU:GDP.

One area of partial disagreement is the idea of playing by the established rules. Because our "rules" for politics are so corrupt, I think we would be mistaken to submit entirely to them. I'd note that, for example, the duties of the US President, as defined by the Constitution, were laid out by the Founding Fathers well before the concept of political parties came into being. Thus, we would do well to look for other rules -- say, Amendment 1, which is by no coincidence central to the revolution that Bernie advocates.

Class Warfare [View all] H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
Hillary is the better candidate on income inequality and economic issues generally. DanTex Mar 2016 #1
I don't know how to put this politely. Gregorian Mar 2016 #3
That was polite. DanTex Mar 2016 #4
I tend to look at the bigger picture. Gregorian Mar 2016 #9
As do I. DanTex Mar 2016 #10
I just want to leave one thing to think about.. Gregorian Mar 2016 #11
You guys talk very politely with each other and I am very happy to see both of your capacity for kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #16
+1 H2O Man Mar 2016 #17
Never heard of Gar Alperovitz, but that's an interesting argument. DanTex Mar 2016 #29
So well said. marions ghost Mar 2016 #60
+1000 nt antigop Mar 2016 #61
Yes totally Armstead Mar 2016 #74
BCCI, Iran Contra relevance: UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, money and Bush family (ProSense 10-7-06 DU) bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #23
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2016 #24
Not to mention negative interest rates. Gregorian Mar 2016 #30
I would add read economist Robert Reich marions ghost Mar 2016 #58
You know what's cool. Gregorian Mar 2016 #72
Love his cartoons marions ghost Mar 2016 #73
Here's a few things of interest. Gregorian Mar 2016 #76
If that were true, I'd be for her. But my family is still smarting mmonk Mar 2016 #7
Interesting, so you don't think W had anything to do with the 2008 crash? DanTex Mar 2016 #8
Bill Clinton started the job....Bush carried it on Armstead Mar 2016 #75
Thanks, DanTex. H2O Man Mar 2016 #12
From what I read, this is informative and beneficial. Very refreshing. Thank you. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #18
Right! H2O Man Mar 2016 #20
Your big heart really helps too! kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #21
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #22
What a load of hogwash. Hillary's support of trade deals has helped gut the middle class. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #31
Hillary's been for some trade deals and against others. But the effects of trade deals have DanTex Mar 2016 #33
She said "TPP is the gold standard". Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #45
HRC also supported an increase in h-1b visas. antigop Mar 2016 #62
You don't "embrace fantasy economic projections" JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #77
There isn't one "standard economic model". There are assumptions and estimates that one DanTex Mar 2016 #78
Thank you for the link. This looks to be a good read. Exactly what I was looking for. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #79
K&R for another worthwhile OP from H2O Man. Scuba Mar 2016 #2
Thank you, Scuba! H2O Man Mar 2016 #13
"The Sanders campaign isn’t advocating taking revenge against all wealthy people" Dem2 Mar 2016 #5
Thank you, Dem2. H2O Man Mar 2016 #14
If you're not politically aware of her policy choices and the consequences they have caused Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #6
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #15
Undeniable, yes. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #28
I do agree with your points. kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #19
Thank you..so much at stake. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #27
Well said, Mr. Jefferson! BillZBubb Mar 2016 #32
Thanks for the thread and here is a generalized response from me. mmonk Mar 2016 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #26
Income inequality is an important cog of change or revolution. mmonk Mar 2016 #35
This topic has been on my mind for a long time but rarely I discuss it with people around me because kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #34
Right. I think H2O Man Mar 2016 #47
Oh, excellent brief description of the social novocaine. n/t Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #80
How to create a bubble economy through deregulation mmonk Mar 2016 #36
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2016 #48
Worth your time if you haven't seen it. I saw it all collapsing in 2007 mmonk Mar 2016 #37
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #49
As far as I understand from history sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #38
Interesting points. H2O Man Mar 2016 #50
Correct on both the Roosevelts stopping class war and Dodd Frank. mmonk Mar 2016 #66
The problem with Bernie's platform is that it doesn't take into consideration... anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #39
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #51
I forgot about two items: sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #40
Solid points. H2O Man Mar 2016 #52
Thankyou for this. On climate change our elites know and are making plans they are not sharing Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #81
kick kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #41
Recommended. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #42
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2016 #53
K & R mrdmk Mar 2016 #43
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #54
The class war is over, the 0.01% won and the rest of us are the losers. Impedimentus Mar 2016 #44
Well said. H2O Man Mar 2016 #55
I love this opinion piece, H2O Man Samantha Mar 2016 #46
Well said. H2O Man Mar 2016 #63
Possibly because historically, presidential candidates tend to be rich. malthaussen Mar 2016 #70
Not many wars I can get behind, but this is one I'd sign off on. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #56
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #64
I remember the Reagan years when downsizing was all the rage me b zola Mar 2016 #57
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2016 #65
Yep. mmonk Mar 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author pdsimdars Mar 2016 #59
The bottom line of the Republican/Third Way belief system mmonk Mar 2016 #68
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #69
Let's get real, a level playing field is impossible. malthaussen Mar 2016 #71
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Mar 2016 #82
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