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2016 Postmortem

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BeyondGeography

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61. Unlike Obama, Sanders has done little to take advantage of HRC's vulnerability here
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

Obama ran to her left on Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as on reaching out to Iran and Cuba, and to her right on capturing bin Laden by any means necessary, even it meant stepping on Pakistan's toes. There was a lot of thought and consultation behind those views and they not only helped him at least neutralize a major perceived area of strength, the work served him well when he actually became President.

Bernie gets a lot of praise for his consistency on economic issues, but, in this campaign, he has accorded foreign policy little more than nuisance status. In fact, it's the area where a President makes the most impact and spends the most time. I have very little sense of what his priorities would be. I do know that when the topic has come up in debates, Sen. Clinton has run circles around him from the standpoint of basic knowledge. She gave him a major opening with the Kissinger reference, and he had some fun with that. Plus there is the IWR vote, which he has also used to his advantage. But he has been flat-footed. Last week's coddling of Netanyahu by HRC, which was met by another round of 40-year-old canned speeches on wealth in America, being yet another case in point.

Not that it would have made a difference in the eventual outcome, but Bernie kind of blew it here. He has forced his opponent to the left on domestic issues because that has been his focus. He has had zero impact on FP, because it really hasn't been on his radar.

War Children [View all] H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
I wonder how many of my brothers and sisters in arms will be dead because of PNAC mentality. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #6
Kicked and highly recommended. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #2
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #8
Hillary favors military solutions for foreign policy matters. Anyone voting for her needs to know think Mar 2016 #3
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #11
along with that well-known neocon, Barack Obama bigtree Mar 2016 #4
Please edit H2O Man Mar 2016 #5
you called Hillary a neocon for advocating the exact policy of President Obama bigtree Mar 2016 #7
Not true H2O Man Mar 2016 #10
I’m curious how my friends who are supporting Hillary process the information in that e-mail bigtree Mar 2016 #17
Sad. H2O Man Mar 2016 #20
I'm amazed that you would upbraid me for 'honesty' bigtree Mar 2016 #40
I'm not sure why you think people don't know of her supporting the PNAC agenda? polly7 Mar 2016 #34
He knows. H2O Man Mar 2016 #36
Oh, I'm sorry. :( polly7 Mar 2016 #39
It happens. H2O Man Mar 2016 #42
I don't have a 'grudge' at all bigtree Mar 2016 #45
Your challenge fell flat on the floor sans any relationship to Facts. 2banon Mar 2016 #65
blocked bigtree Mar 2016 #66
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #78
Good post and video... TeeYiYi Mar 2016 #59
Great threads, TeeYiYi! nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #60
Obama has taken a much more cautious and diplomatic approach to the ME tk2kewl Mar 2016 #9
He knows that. H2O Man Mar 2016 #12
+1 kristopher Mar 2016 #43
Hillary loves peace in the same way that foxes love rabbits. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #14
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2016 #15
That interview was long after HRC's email. Wilms Mar 2016 #41
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #49
Good post, Wilms. polly7 Mar 2016 #55
I wonder if the establishment back then had any idea that jwirr Mar 2016 #13
Right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #16
Yes, if we hadn't had so many drop out of the cause we would jwirr Mar 2016 #19
Exactly right. H2O Man Mar 2016 #25
Yes, I felt that from the moment Occupy started demonstrating jwirr Mar 2016 #47
For years, I had H2O Man Mar 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Mar 2016 #47
In it for fun, or to keep from personally being affected... malthaussen Mar 2016 #68
Excellent description of the problems. I lived in Iowa in a jwirr Mar 2016 #77
"Hillary's experience" vs "Bernie's judgement" is an excellent way to frame this primary contest. Scuba Mar 2016 #18
Outstanding! H2O Man Mar 2016 #22
A necessary evil in DEFENSE of the United States Constitution. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #24
In the last decade, H2O Man Mar 2016 #27
There will be. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #33
I agree 100% H2O Man Mar 2016 #35
See, this is why Smedley Butler should be required reading in high school. malthaussen Mar 2016 #69
Experience and Judgement are the exact two words I come up with pdsimdars Mar 2016 #37
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2016 #38
Most excellent OP sir. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #21
Thank you, Sir. H2O Man Mar 2016 #23
Thank you G_j Mar 2016 #26
Thanks, Friend! H2O Man Mar 2016 #29
my counciling G_j Mar 2016 #56
That may be true... malthaussen Mar 2016 #71
Maybe they will but many just associate policy with party mmonk Mar 2016 #28
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2016 #31
Every new detail we learn about her is worse. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #30
It is disappointing. H2O Man Mar 2016 #32
Thank you once again, H20 Man. democrank Mar 2016 #44
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2016 #46
Indeed. moondust Mar 2016 #51
"What's good for Wall Street H2O Man Mar 2016 #52
Thank you H2O Man MuseRider Mar 2016 #53
Right? H2O Man Mar 2016 #57
Thanks. This is a primary reason why many Bernie supporters cannot, in good conscience, Zorra Mar 2016 #54
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2016 #58
Unlike Obama, Sanders has done little to take advantage of HRC's vulnerability here BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #61
Thanks H2O Man Mar 2016 #62
I like the music! Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #63
It is good music. H2O Man Mar 2016 #64
You and Isaac Asimov apparently have the same blind spot. malthaussen Mar 2016 #67
Interesting. H2O Man Mar 2016 #72
" How do you justify the trade-off in values? " You can't. antigop Mar 2016 #70
There you go. H2O Man Mar 2016 #73
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #74
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man Mar 2016 #75
It was a wonderful day. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #76
"send them BACK!" "kick their ASS and take their GAS!" "drill HERE drill NOW!" MisterP Mar 2016 #79
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