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Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:03 PM

1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)

70. I'm SOOOO stealing that!

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Superdelegates do not have to listen to the Voters in their States [View all]	bravenak	Mar 2016	OP
Good link!	DemonGoddess	Mar 2016	#1
Maybe they can stop thinking the supers owe THEM their votes.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#2
Neither do I owe MY vote	Mike__M	Mar 2016	#119
I somehow don't see that :(	DemonGoddess	Mar 2016	#139
I'm a dreamer...	bravenak	Mar 2016	#142
One could politely tell those elected officials who are superdelegates	Liberty Belle	Mar 2016	#3
The candidate with the most popular votes already has their support	bravenak	Mar 2016	#6
State By State... fella... So They Should respect The WILL As Expressed By Their Constituents OR...	CorporatistNation	Mar 2016	#89
Some of the super delegates are not currently serving so cant vote them out.	Thinkingabout	Mar 2016	#103
But the election is not over yet.	Liberty Belle	Mar 2016	#175
I am perfectly fine with that.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#176
America utilizes representative democracy, not direct democracy. How do you not know this?	CalvinballPro	Mar 2016	#11
JFC...	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#56
Yep. It's the media I have a problem with.	SusanCalvin	Mar 2016	#61
It's dishonest for Sanders to decry the super-delegate system yet employ the man that designed it.	CalvinballPro	Mar 2016	#122
Where has Sanders decried the superdelegate system?	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#124
Many, many of the superdelegates aren't elected officials...	SidDithers	Mar 2016	#126
That is not true.	LiberalFighter	Mar 2016	#164
I don't see DUers calling on Alan Grayson to switch his vote to Hillary.	hrmjustin	Mar 2016	#4
Of course not!!!!	bravenak	Mar 2016	#5
If she has the popular vote at the end of the primary	unapatriciated	Mar 2016	#14
An honest poster.	hrmjustin	Mar 2016	#17
Does your reply mean if	unapatriciated	Mar 2016	#113
If he won the popular vote i would say he should be the winner.	hrmjustin	Mar 2016	#117
thank you	unapatriciated	Mar 2016	#118
Yes, exactly.	SusanCalvin	Mar 2016	#63
Right now superdelegates tend to keep their endorsements...	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#65
You will when McDermott, Murray and Cantwell are pressured to see the error of their ways. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2016	#90
Yeah, I'm waiting for that to happen...	MoonRiver	Mar 2016	#173
A super-delegate for Sanders from Nevada is on the record saying she won't vote as her state did.	CalvinballPro	Mar 2016	#7
Oh hell yeah	bravenak	Mar 2016	#8
Well Dr. Dean from Vermont has said the same thing...	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#69
No. I believe the poster was referring to the Bernie-supporters' ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#91
Um, I'm one of those "Bernie-supporters"...	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#98
Then, the hypocrite label does not apply to you ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#104
I think Sanders is a hypocrite. He was against super-delegates, until he needed them.	CalvinballPro	Mar 2016	#123
Link, please?	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#125
Which is how superdelages work. Not how democracy works.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2016	#9
It is the system	bravenak	Mar 2016	#10
It's the "system" than many of us want to rid ourselves of.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2016	#16
Not enough of 'us'	bravenak	Mar 2016	#18
Yet.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2016	#21
Screw the system...it doesn't work for regular people, just elites.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#30
Rhetoric	bravenak	Mar 2016	#33
Truth.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#35
The DNC can change their rules. Just not midway through a Primary	Sheepshank	Mar 2016	#107
I understand the rules can't be changed now. But they need to be after this election.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#108
Democracy and the democratic rule of elections are a constitutional construct	Sheepshank	Mar 2016	#129
It can make it's own rules, sure.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#131
You mean	beedle	Mar 2016	#166
Some rules are actually law...some are operational policy	Sheepshank	Mar 2016	#167
here	beedle	Mar 2016	#169
Washington Post? Never mind, is does state it was a "guideline" for Obama's POTUS bid.....	Sheepshank	Mar 2016	#170
Bernie only recently complained about it	beedle	Mar 2016	#171
The candidate who wins the popular vote	unapatriciated	Mar 2016	#12
Hillary won the popular vote against O if I remember correctly.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#13
Only if you count Michigan and Obama was not even on the ballot.	unapatriciated	Mar 2016	#29
Oh!! I remember why I considered it even now	bravenak	Mar 2016	#32
Results...	Major Nikon	Mar 2016	#57
Thank you	bravenak	Mar 2016	#64
What the hell????	sheshe2	Mar 2016	#137
I'm sayin!	bravenak	Mar 2016	#138
Ya know....	sheshe2	Mar 2016	#140
Might be the same person	bravenak	Mar 2016	#141
I just went to look.	sheshe2	Mar 2016	#143
Found it.	sheshe2	Mar 2016	#144
Ok. Hmmm. Mmmm hmmmm.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#145
Again Bravenak - for transparency - in this case it looks like the alerter is being alerted	seaglass	Mar 2016	#58
Just getting obvious at this point. I can see what's going on.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#62
At least it was 0-7. Incremental improvements.....	SusanCalvin	Mar 2016	#68
Yep!	bravenak	Mar 2016	#72
The candidate who wins the most pledged delegates will be the nominee...	SidDithers	Mar 2016	#133
If superdelegates don't follow the way the people vote, it's time to chuck the superdelegate	shraby	Mar 2016	#15
They own their votes	bravenak	Mar 2016	#20
Really? The party has done itself harm for many, many years.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#34
The party is doing better than at many other times when we picked ideoligical purity	bravenak	Mar 2016	#36
Are you serious? The party is doing awful.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#46
What did we have after we lost so badly to Nixon and Reagan?	bravenak	Mar 2016	#51
Naive.	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#60
What did we have? The House, Senate, and majority of Governors and States Legislatures.	ieoeja	Mar 2016	#168
If the Democratic Party is so damaged, why did Sanders choose to hitch his horse to this wagon?	George II	Mar 2016	#162
2/3rd of the Registered Democrats in the "Party" Are Voting for Clinton	Stallion	Mar 2016	#99
Not really. Only 20 Democratic Superdelegates are 'distinguished leaders' such as former Presidents	Bluenorthwest	Mar 2016	#39
Good post...	TeeYiYi	Mar 2016	#67
So, as noted above ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#38
Their votes are not owed to us,	bunnies	Mar 2016	#19
Me too	bravenak	Mar 2016	#28
they vote at the will of the party	beedle	Mar 2016	#172
Lee Fang @ The Intercept: Lobbyist Superdelegates Tip Nomination in Clinton's Favor.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2016	#22
I have no idea what that has to do with this	bravenak	Mar 2016	#24
The point: Many superdelegates are lobbyists, not elected pols.	AtomicKitten	Mar 2016	#59
I really don't think that politicians have our best interests in mind either most times	bravenak	Mar 2016	#66
Right. Follow the money if you want to know who the super-constituents are.	rachacha	Mar 2016	#79
Many of them are elected office-holders.	HooptieWagon	Mar 2016	#23
Maybe.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#25
Incumbents have such an advantage I suspect they are not concerned at all	hack89	Mar 2016	#26
75% of caucus goers yesterday called for a 'revolution'.	HooptieWagon	Mar 2016	#27
But caucus goers as a percentage of GE election voters is tiny	hack89	Mar 2016	#37
Sanders is the incumbent in this primary...you think he has the advantage? n/t	Henhouse	Mar 2016	#75
No such thing.	hack89	Mar 2016	#97
Of course they don't, they are free to be the first politicians in history to risk their own asses	Bluenorthwest	Mar 2016	#31
Isn't that, exactly, what DU:Bernie is asking of the Super-delegates? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#41
Not sure what you are attempting to say, but I think the superdelegates should vote for the	Bluenorthwest	Mar 2016	#55
They have a right to vote for whomever they want	radical noodle	Mar 2016	#40
It seems that there are many double standards	bravenak	Mar 2016	#42
+10000	radical noodle	Mar 2016	#47
Thanks for promoting oligarghy instead of Democracy.	libtodeath	Mar 2016	#43
.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#44
Too bad you dont even like Hillary so snooze on.	libtodeath	Mar 2016	#49
Caucused for her	bravenak	Mar 2016	#50
Big deal.	libtodeath	Mar 2016	#52
.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#54
I'm SOOOO stealing that!	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#70
Ha! My favorite	bravenak	Mar 2016	#71
That's what bothers me about superdelegates.	Vinca	Mar 2016	#45
We are a representative democracy	bravenak	Mar 2016	#48
But that is precisely the problem.	Vinca	Mar 2016	#120
Interesting that you support the idea...	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#53
Have you called on Alan Grayson and the Nevada Super-delegate ...	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#80
As I have said elsewhere...	ljm2002	Mar 2016	#94
Oh ... Okay. I must have miss re-read your post(s).	1StrongBlackMan	Mar 2016	#100
Praise the glorious revolutionary DNC for ignoring stupid wrong voters... /s	JPnoodleman	Mar 2016	#73
.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#74
Party can ignore sanders voters as they wish, they aren't entitled to our votes.	JPnoodleman	Mar 2016	#76
I think people need to learn how this works.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#82
How what works? Does the DNC or Hillary have some sacred divine right?	JPnoodleman	Mar 2016	#86
I do not care what most people here think	bravenak	Mar 2016	#87
Who made you the ultimate authority on these things?	Punkingal	Mar 2016	#102
What has my thinking things have to do with being the 'authority'?	bravenak	Mar 2016	#105
They don't have to listen to anybody, but constituents of a given state or district ...	ThePhilosopher04	Mar 2016	#77
They can try	bravenak	Mar 2016	#78
DU does not have to listen to Bravenak.	PufPuf23	Mar 2016	#81
That is nowhere in the rules	bravenak	Mar 2016	#83
The will of the people and the best interests of the people are not always easy to define	mythology	Mar 2016	#163
Is this attitude what brought you to Clinton, or the reverse?	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2016	#84
Very personal	bravenak	Mar 2016	#88
I'm genuinely curious.	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2016	#92
No. I just see how messy the whole thing is now.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#95
Democracy is supposed to be messy. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Mar 2016	#96
No they don't have to listen. I'm sure if they don't the voters will be happy to remind them.	Autumn	Mar 2016	#85
Bet most of Hillary's have been paid in some way	Politicalboi	Mar 2016	#93
Weird how some people still think the USA is a democracy.	mhatrw	Mar 2016	#101
I've tried to explain this over and over	Sheepshank	Mar 2016	#106
Thank you!!!!	bravenak	Mar 2016	#110
Reince Priebus approves of this thread	AZ Progressive	Mar 2016	#109
Yeah no shit lol	strategery blunder	Mar 2016	#157
Super delegates no different from elected delegates	MFM008	Mar 2016	#111
I can imagine it	bravenak	Mar 2016	#112
Is only you were born as Rubert Murdoch...n/t	blueintelligentsia	Mar 2016	#114
I am too cute	bravenak	Mar 2016	#116
Very cute...	blueintelligentsia	Mar 2016	#136
Because, if they thwart the will of the voters, Democracy fails.	NorthCarolina	Mar 2016	#115
How democratic!	AzDar	Mar 2016	#121
The vote should not be theirs! It should ONLY the peoples vote!	bkkyosemite	Mar 2016	#127
We need to do away with Superdelegates.	liberalmuse	Mar 2016	#128
Here's my take on the superdelegates. As you rightly point out, they ARE the establishment....	George II	Mar 2016	#130
I agree with that.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#132
It will only make matters worse with respect to superdelegates supporting him. Frankly....	George II	Mar 2016	#134
It does help her out alot	bravenak	Mar 2016	#135
Half of superdelegates are white males.	jfern	Mar 2016	#146
I did not do that. AMERICA did. Thank the nation for creating that by not allowing the rest of us to	bravenak	Mar 2016	#147
But you are defending superdelegates, which are half white males	jfern	Mar 2016	#148
I'm interested in affirmative action	bravenak	Mar 2016	#151
So there aren't enough white males in the Democratic party so, they needed half the superdelegates?	jfern	Mar 2016	#154
Unintelligible	bravenak	Mar 2016	#156
That's how Republicans win elections	AgingAmerican	Mar 2016	#149
We the other people like them	bravenak	Mar 2016	#150
Divide and fail	AgingAmerican	Mar 2016	#152
I'm waiting until after June 7th before I start contacting local elected superdelegates	strategery blunder	Mar 2016	#153
That is a good idea.	bravenak	Mar 2016	#155
2383 is majority of pledged+supers	strategery blunder	Mar 2016	#158
I am doing it this way because the contest is officially over at that point	bravenak	Mar 2016	#160
Super Dels want the nominee who is going to be the best candidate in the GE and the best	Cha	Mar 2016	#159
Yep. They usually form relationships	bravenak	Mar 2016	#161
Sanders will not be successful in appealing to super delegates	Gothmog	Mar 2016	#165
I agree	bravenak	Mar 2016	#174
Super delegates are elites and party power brokers. The vast majority are the 1 percent...	CoffeeCat	Mar 2016	#177
This is where we have been for a long time	bravenak	Mar 2016	#178
Yes, and maybe this election will help us screw our heads on straight.	CoffeeCat	Mar 2016	#179
Thus the "super"	Dem2	Mar 2016	#180
K&R! nt	R B Garr	Apr 2016	#181

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