It's not a marriage where there are only two people (Reply #149)

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Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:23 PM

treestar (82,106 posts)

149. It's not a marriage where there are only two people

It is many people pulling together and that involves compromise.

Cannot believe that illogic that would say that. "The people" only means "me". How can a party commit to you when it is made up of diverse people. Who agree or disagree with you on various issues.

The party is not one person. It is a bunch of people. it is not made up solely of the leaders. It is all of us. If you find the party contains people with intolerable views then you have to set up a new party.

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177 replies	Author	Time	Post
What do Hillary Supporters have against open primaries? [View all]	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	OP
Both types have pros and cons	Recursion	Mar 2016	#1
I think closed primaries embolden the two party system	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#4
Yup. nt	artislife	Mar 2016	#43
So, why not join the Party and change it's philosophy from the inside?	brooklynite	Mar 2016	#49
Because I ultimately want to end this two party system madness...	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#51
...and yet, here you are at DEMOCRATIC Underground.	brooklynite	Mar 2016	#56
Thank Bernie Sanders for that nt	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#58
So in other words	asuhornets	Mar 2016	#117
It's his vote. He gets to do as he pleases, and as the system allows.	Bubzer	Mar 2016	#172
Very nicely said...	FarPoint	Mar 2016	#80
Are you aware that many here are not democrats? There is no requirement that posters	Autumn	Mar 2016	#93
I'm well aware of that...I just don't understand why you'd want to.	brooklynite	Mar 2016	#120
Why shouldn't we be here? Like Sanders we have always supported democrats.	Autumn	Mar 2016	#121
Ours was closed,	Blue_In_AK	Mar 2016	#113
In 2002 Republicans crossed over to unseat a sitting Congresswoman in Georgia.	onehandle	Mar 2016	#2
Further details please?	UtahJosh	Mar 2016	#6
We're still waiting...	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#61
Cynthia McKinney is "mythical" to you?	Recursion	Mar 2016	#65
Cynthia McKinney's opponent went on to win the GE. So how did anybody spoil anything? nt	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#95
Ask onehandle; I wasn't terribly sad about that outcome	Recursion	Mar 2016	#97
You are from GA? You haven't been paying attention very long	redstateblues	Mar 2016	#156
This message was self-deleted by its author	Recursion	Mar 2016	#62
McKinney. It's still fairly recent history, at least to a geezer like me (nt)	Recursion	Mar 2016	#64
Because this on primary is all that matters	Gwhittey	Mar 2016	#3
Because when all of the American people are allowed to vote	votesparks	Mar 2016	#5
Only Democrats should be allowed to select our nominee. That's not even debatable IMO.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#7
Who gets to decide who is a Democrat?	dogman	Mar 2016	#10
No, it's called registration status.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#11
Yes, I register when I choose which ballot I want.	dogman	Mar 2016	#15
It shows no commitment to the Party.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#20
No Party owns anybody's vote.	dogman	Mar 2016	#24
In a general - yes, in a primary - no.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#26
So we must adhere to your purity test?	dogman	Mar 2016	#28
We're talking about state party rules. No need to make this personal.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#31
Apparently many state parties don't.	dogman	Mar 2016	#38
What makes 6 months better than 5?	hellofromreddit	Mar 2016	#50
6 months is my opinion.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#53
so if you excite people to become Democrats after 6 months	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#124
As do I	vdogg	Mar 2016	#177
If a person wants to help decide who the Democrats run in the general election . . .	brush	Mar 2016	#135
This message was self-deleted by its author	dogman	Mar 2016	#162
They love oaths	artislife	Mar 2016	#44
See my response #81	LuvLoogie	Mar 2016	#82
Why should anyone commit to the party when the party won't commit to the people they supposedly	-none	Mar 2016	#68
In my state of Ohio, I saw interviews of Democrats voting for Kasich to hurt Trump.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#74
But Republicans voting for Hillary because they know they can beat her is OK?	-none	Mar 2016	#76
Republicans fear Clinton. They would love Sanders. The commercials practically write themselves.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#78
Prove your claim.	RichVRichV	Mar 2016	#106
Start with this...	ConservativeDemocrat	Mar 2016	#146
Bwahahahaha!	RichVRichV	Mar 2016	#153
!	blue neen	Mar 2016	#158
It's not a marriage where there are only two people	treestar	Mar 2016	#149
EvenObama is laughing at your post.	-none	Mar 2016	#161
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2016	#16
Can't Republicans run a concerted effort to reregister people to spoil a closed primary? nt	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#19
Yes, that's why it's better to have registration deadlines.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#21
That is why New York has their system.	LuvLoogie	Mar 2016	#81
That is the New York Democratic Party's right.	dogman	Mar 2016	#86
I don't paint Bernie supporters as right-wing.	LuvLoogie	Mar 2016	#90
Is that a fact you can prove?	dogman	Mar 2016	#99
Look at the vote totals in open primaries versus closed	LuvLoogie	Mar 2016	#154
What incredible nonsense.	hedda_foil	Mar 2016	#165
They cross over not because they think Bernie will be easier to beat,	LuvLoogie	Mar 2016	#170
This message was self-deleted by its author	LuvLoogie	Mar 2016	#169
The individuals themselves	Renew Deal	Mar 2016	#27
Not in my State.	dogman	Mar 2016	#32
Yes. They're all different.	Renew Deal	Mar 2016	#33
That is correct for that election.	dogman	Mar 2016	#39
It wouldn't be debateable if...	votesparks	Mar 2016	#25
this x 100000000000000 nt	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#125
What nonsense.	basselope	Mar 2016	#96
Open primaries are an opportunity for opposition parties to high jack...	dubyadiprecession	Mar 2016	#8
How so? Don't Candidates need the support of Independents to win General Elections?	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#9
They can vote whichever way they wish in the general. Primaries are much different.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#13
Primaries are intended for party supporters to decide their candidate.	LiberalFighter	Mar 2016	#67
or the party to could be open to new supporters instead assuming it is all sabotage nt	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#126
Wow, that's pretty high. I think this election is opening up some eyes	Karma13612	Mar 2016	#159
So take your Party and go home?	dogman	Mar 2016	#12
Are you serious ?	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#14
Are you?	dogman	Mar 2016	#17
Um, the Democratic Party (composed of Democrats) decides who represents the Democratic Party.	randome	Mar 2016	#30
Don't be surprised when the democratic party loses when they ignore 43% of the electorate nt	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#34
Which leaves a majority of 57%	LiberalFighter	Mar 2016	#69
57%?	Gwhittey	Mar 2016	#73
This message was self-deleted by its author	LiberalFighter	Mar 2016	#123
Not in the General it doesn't.	hedda_foil	Mar 2016	#166
Republicans feel the same way. They want repugs deciding who their . . .	brush	Mar 2016	#137
The point is: Who are Democrats?	dogman	Mar 2016	#45
Well, it sort of seems to me, for the sake of accuracy and organization, that...	randome	Mar 2016	#70
This message was self-deleted by its author	dogman	Mar 2016	#88
Maybe it's because you have commitment issues, then.	randome	Mar 2016	#105
Been there, done that.	dogman	Mar 2016	#122
Try registering to vote and checking the Democratic Party box.	brush	Mar 2016	#136
It's hard when there is no Democratic box to check.	dogman	Mar 2016	#163
I registered voters in my state and there is the option to declare your party . . .	brush	Mar 2016	#168
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Mar 2016	#22
MY father claimed to do this...he held one local union office or another throughout his working life	HereSince1628	Mar 2016	#98
In NY STATE, party affiliation for already registered is six months deadline, longest in	Karma13612	Mar 2016	#160
Very good question.	Karma13612	Mar 2016	#18
Bernie chose to join the Dem party to run, why can't other independents?	brush	Mar 2016	#139
I agree that we should have people join.	Karma13612	Mar 2016	#148
Yes. 6 months is too long.	brush	Mar 2016	#150
A 6 month deadline for registration is quite reasonable IMO.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#23
If my independent taxpayer money has to go to fund party primaries...	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#40
I feel differently. I only want committed Democrats deciding our nominee.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#41
Well then,	Bettie	Mar 2016	#79
They fear the people who choose not to belong to a political party. Op[en primaries are	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2016	#29
No, I don't want Republicans trying to win the general by voting for Sanders in a primary.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#42
Republicans are not the ones voting for Sanders.	-none	Mar 2016	#75
Republicans like Limbaugh actually have a name for it. It happens.	Trust Buster	Mar 2016	#77
I'll give you the example of my state	strategery blunder	Mar 2016	#138
They fear their own grassroots as well.	artislife	Mar 2016	#48
Just cut out the middle man	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2016	#35
That makes too much sense, you subversive you.	brush	Mar 2016	#140
Because they want to ensure the establishment wins	shawn703	Mar 2016	#36
I'm a strong advocate for semi-open caucuses. Totally open leads to crossover skulduggery occurring	Kip Humphrey	Mar 2016	#37
Caucuses are outdated really. Most people don't have time to spend 3 or 4 hours . . .	brush	Mar 2016	#141
Arizona might disagree as well.	Kip Humphrey	Mar 2016	#142
You do know that the repugs in Maricopa county closed polling sites from 200 to 60	brush	Mar 2016	#144
Everybody should be allowed to vote for whomever they choose. Period. FULL STOP!	pinebox	Mar 2016	#46
bravo!	Viva_La_Revolution	Mar 2016	#87
"Not a dimes worth of difference"? Start your own party	redstateblues	Mar 2016	#155
Sure.	pinebox	Mar 2016	#167
You got it right!!!!! No whining from me!!	Karma13612	Mar 2016	#157
same thing the establishment types have against a people's movement.	hobbit709	Mar 2016	#47
We are selecting the Democratic nominee for the Democratic party.	DCBob	Mar 2016	#52
The Primaries are funded by the taxpayers... I think any who wish should have a say	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#54
So you agree that Indepoendents shouldn't have participated in yesterday's Party Caucuses.	brooklynite	Mar 2016	#60
States provide methods for other parties to have their own primary or caucus.	LiberalFighter	Mar 2016	#71
In this reply, you are parroting almost EVERY RWNJ website.	Raine1967	Mar 2016	#151
Losing, lol.	morningfog	Mar 2016	#55
I don't like either open primaries or caucuses, regardless of who wins them.	Beacool	Mar 2016	#57
Letting people choose whom to vote for is undemocratic?	dogman	Mar 2016	#89
That's the point, many people cannot caucus for various reasons.	Beacool	Mar 2016	#94
People also cannot vote for various reasons.	dogman	Mar 2016	#102
Caucuses take hours. Most people don't have that kind of time anymore.	brush	Mar 2016	#143
Unless there is an unopposed candidate	MichMan	Mar 2016	#59
We have a horrible problem with closed primaries in Florida.	Fuddnik	Mar 2016	#83
The solution is better Dem candidates	MichMan	Mar 2016	#84
DWS actively discourages "better Dem candidates" down here. She likes fellow DINOs.	djean111	Mar 2016	#133
I don't have a candidate, but I support closed primaries on principle	Orangepeel	Mar 2016	#63
That would be fine if the government would stop supporting the two party system.	dogman	Mar 2016	#91
Both Hillary and Bernie supporters support what's best for the candidate.	Onlooker	Mar 2016	#66
The answer to your question . . . .	pdsimdars	Mar 2016	#72
How many times does this have to be repeated?	baldguy	Mar 2016	#85
When you disparage 26% of the electorate automatically....	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#92
Picking between the hairsbreath difference between Clinton & Sanders	baldguy	Mar 2016	#103
I see, how dare I have reservations about a Democrat... I must be a Right Winger...	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#108
No, every criticism of Clinton isn't a RW attack - just those that were thought up by RWers.	baldguy	Mar 2016	#109
but that 1% criticism is a big one!	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#129
This message was self-deleted by its author	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#130
You call it 'disparaging' to expect Democratic Party voters to select their candidates?	randome	Mar 2016	#104
This isn't a sport game... I refuse to take a pledge of fealty...	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#107
What is "Bernie or Bust" other than a demand for fealty?	baldguy	Mar 2016	#110
You don't get to decide the values and judgements...	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#112
There you go with the RW propaganda again.	baldguy	Mar 2016	#114
not based on lies, based on history	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#131
DLC not DNC nt	Pat Riots	Mar 2016	#132
The fact that Clinton haters can't tell the difference speaks volumes.	baldguy	Mar 2016	#134
that sounds cut and pasted- and confusing the DNC for the DLC is hilarious.	bettyellen	Mar 2016	#145
Well wait to cast your vote in the general since you don't belong to a party.	brush	Mar 2016	#147
the party's been on a careful reducing plan to leave it with only those who'll literally take any	MisterP	Mar 2016	#100
I think Democrats should pick the Democratic candidate. I don't want Republicans	lunamagica	Mar 2016	#101
the purpose of a primary is to determine the party's nominee	DrDan	Mar 2016	#111
Independent voters hate Hillary. She loses when she has to go beyond her elderly Democrats base	Vote2016	Mar 2016	#115
We Independents are hated almost as much as Republicans. They hate that Democratic	liberal_at_heart	Mar 2016	#116
I'm torn. Closed primaries make more sense but my candidate does better in open ones.	pampango	Mar 2016	#118
oh hell, they don't even want an open party. They'd like to toss half of us from the party.	Live and Learn	Mar 2016	#119
1972	RandySF	Mar 2016	#127
Not really sure they mind it at all	d_legendary1	Mar 2016	#128
I want our Democratic nominee to be picked by Democrats. What is so hard to understand about that?	upaloopa	Mar 2016	#152
Why do Sanders Supporters want the possibility of Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos"?	SFnomad	Mar 2016	#164
I'm a Hillary supporter and have nothing against open primaries	DesertRat	Mar 2016	#171
I think there are good reasons for either system, but I really wish every state did it the same	gollygee	Mar 2016	#173
Looks like somone just got awarded a time out from jury-duty:	Bubzer	Mar 2016	#174
Someone alerted my post? I am amazed because I try to be respectful when commenting	GeorgiaPeanuts	Mar 2016	#175
FEAR !!	pangaia	Mar 2016	#176

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