2016 Postmortem

kristopher

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38. So you are not willing to articulate the principles that you live by?

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:39 AM

Mar 2016

You see one and only one way to be a social Democrat, FDR's. That's it in a nutshell.

This isn't complicated and you are a clever, articulate person. So when you try to drag a red herring towards me to deflect yet again from the question, you must know how strongly it seems you are trying to avoid clearly defining the values and principles you are following in your evaluation.

When you say that I "see one and only one way to be a social Democrat" it tells me nothing and we've already established that in the first post I made

I'd like to know what "way" do you see to be a social democrat that is different?

Values, principles, policies.

People.

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The Democratic Party in 2016 Primaries is either going to completely morph into a new [View all] Seeinghope Mar 2016 OP

We are watching! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #1

Cool story, bro. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #2

About that... the Left really, really needs to get over the 1960s Recursion Mar 2016 #3

i wanna see you tell a vietnam vet to get over it Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #4

Since their average age is about 70 I'm sure I'd be fine Recursion Mar 2016 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Chezboo Mar 2016 #13

What? The Vietnam vets at my VFW post are both old and conservative. What's "abusive" about pointing Recursion Mar 2016 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Chezboo Mar 2016 #17

Well, you and Viva did exactly what I'm talking about Recursion Mar 2016 #18

Those grandchildren support the socialist left policies of Bernie Sanders by a large majority... Human101948 Mar 2016 #56

Indeed, and they'd be horrified by the policies of JFK or FDR Recursion Mar 2016 #57

Who are 'they'? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #67

Younger Sanders supporters Recursion Mar 2016 #69

Which policies specifically? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #70

Caving to the South on the New Deal for one Recursion Mar 2016 #71

So Millennials would be against Social Security? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #72

Of course anyone who reads history will know about these things Human101948 Mar 2016 #78

Do you consider yourself to be a part of 'the right'? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #66

No, the left, which is why I try to give others on the left with me advice (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #68

Most of the vietnam vets I know want to have nothing to do with the VFW or the American Legion. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #47

Do you know how hard it is to get a VFW, AL, IVAW, et al member to show a valid DD-214? VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #77

I remember going to the VFW a long time ago as a recently discharged vet Fumesucker Mar 2016 #33

Yeah, I prefer the Legion a lot (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #34

You don't know what you're talking about.. whathehell Mar 2016 #52

The people most supporting the 1960esque democrat are young people nt GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #5

He's not a 1960esque Democrat. Hell, he protested LBJ back in the 1960s Recursion Mar 2016 #8

He protested LBJ in solidarity with the PEOPLE of the Democratic Party. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #12

Who, remember, were not the majority of the party, nor even close to it Recursion Mar 2016 #15

Oh, you mean the future of the party? KPN Mar 2016 #9

Perhaps you'd prefer a party indefinitely dedicated to appeasing the ways of Ronald Reagan? highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #10

Why? That's the right's version of this and it's even worse when they do it Recursion Mar 2016 #21

Don't fucking call me a rightist. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #25

Huh? I didn't (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #27

What is wrong with this thread? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #32

OK then. I've read more, and I'm getting your drift. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #41

A refreshing post with wisdom. Thank you nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #42

Exceptionally well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #51

The principles are the same Armstead Mar 2016 #81

Adapting to the times doesn't have to mean moving to the right. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #11

Indeed it doesn't, nor am I suggesting that Recursion Mar 2016 #14

So you think everything is fine. That the principles you endorse dropping mean...? kristopher Mar 2016 #19

Ask seeinghope, who specifically called out the "traditional" party of the 60s and 70s Recursion Mar 2016 #20

No, I would like you to be specific about the policies you want to drop. kristopher Mar 2016 #22

Sure thing. Our last platform was 2012 so I'll go with that Recursion Mar 2016 #23

You seem to have drifted from the original question. kristopher Mar 2016 #26

Exactly: you equate FDR with "principles of social democracy" Recursion Mar 2016 #28

So you are not willing to articulate the principles that you live by? kristopher Mar 2016 #38

Well, I told you: I want a social democratic movement that moves past Recursion Mar 2016 #40

That has nothing to do with values or principles. kristopher Mar 2016 #43

Maybe to you it doesn't (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #44

Empirically it doesn't. kristopher Mar 2016 #45

Historians voted FDR the third greatest president* in all of U S history.. whathehell Mar 2016 #53

George Washington is often voted the greatest. Let's bring back slavery. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #63

Of course, because that's the reason for his rank, modern historians being notoriously pro-slavery.. whathehell Mar 2016 #74

Not so sure you're right about that. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #35

Hillary is Supply Side and Endless War...and Free Trade Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #24

Perhaps the party is misjudging the times. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #29

I can't think of a time I'd rather be alive in the US than right now. Recursion Mar 2016 #30

Now I see. . .. I guess I missed part of the earlier conversation pdsimdars Mar 2016 #37

Eh, we've always been one step away from becoming a fascist state Recursion Mar 2016 #39

You don't seem to know what fascism is. kristopher Mar 2016 #46

Yeah, the party they are dreaming off was a whole lot whiter, and had tons of dixiecrats. KitSileya Mar 2016 #54

Oh, my - "the Left really, really needs to get over the 1960s" - heh, or else find or djean111 Mar 2016 #59

Your snarky reply notwithstanding... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #76

I don't know that we're going back Hydra Mar 2016 #6

All the iconic discussions PATRICK Mar 2016 #36

It's not the 60s or 70s, it's Bill Clinton pdsimdars Mar 2016 #31

+1 Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #48

Funny...I thought Bill Clinton hatched a plan to let the Democratic Party win... brooklynite Mar 2016 #49

Nope, don't want the days of pre-Civil Rights thank you very much leftofcool Mar 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author djean111 Mar 2016 #55

So, pro segregation and opposed to gay rights? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #58

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is bizarre (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #61

Extreme, but I wouldn't say bizarre or surprising. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #64

Social vs. economic issues... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #82

I'm an old school dem. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #60

This. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #65

The party is made up of the people in it treestar Mar 2016 #62

This is what we have now --in effect: marions ghost Mar 2016 #73

No, it won't gollygee Mar 2016 #75

8 months ago, Warren was the only one who could save us. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #79

Let us all return to the 60's in our politic and turn left instead of right. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #80

You can go back thruout all of history and see common threads. Wealth, power belonging to leaders Seeinghope Mar 2016 #83