2016 Postmortem

Uponthegears

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87. IF

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:09 AM

Apr 2016

this OP had been posted in the Bernie group, you would have a point. Lord knows we see that all the time in both the Bernie and Hillary groups.

BUT IT WASN'T

It was posted out here in a forum where EVERY Hillary supporter is free to come in here and post a response, fettered only by the practical necessity that they be able to defend their position. For example, YOU could have given us the "real reasons" Hillary supporters have tried everything from falsely claiming that Bernie "invited himself" to belittling the Pontifical Academy itself. Yes, you would have been criticized, BUT all you would need have done to counter that criticism was to support your position with facts.

Of course, YOU DIDN'T

YOU chose to attack an open forum discussion as "one-sided" when the ONLY reason it is "one-sided" is because your side doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to join the discussion stand up for itself.

WHINING is no substitute for substance.

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I don't get it. Why are so many HRC supporters so frantically belittling Sanders' Vatican invite? [View all] Marr Apr 2016 OP

It hit a nerve methinks Armstead Apr 2016 #1

Spot on madokie Apr 2016 #104

K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #130

Yep... Won't be anything left for the next generation... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #132

If this nation continues its current trend, most of the populace will be uneducated and living in RKP5637 Apr 2016 #137

Yup. No doubt about that. redwitch Apr 2016 #126

heck, it'd be touted as evidence of divine intervention nashville_brook Apr 2016 #147

A gentle honest Senator from a small state is invited to jwirr Apr 2016 #149

Because Bill was a big racist fool yesterday, and they badly needed to change the subject.nt Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #2

+ 1000 awake Apr 2016 #103

Dead center bullseye. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #136

+1,000,000 krawhitham Apr 2016 #173

The Exacto Distracto! dchill Apr 2016 #174

Nice idea but I don't think so, they would have smeared Bernie no matter what esle was happening pdsimdars Apr 2016 #185

Because they operate on pure hate. morningfog Apr 2016 #3

It's not the candidate they decided to back. nt revbones Apr 2016 #4

Jealous. They think that Hillary would be far more deserving of this honor. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #5

Except he is not leaving until the 16th dr60omg Apr 2016 #40

Yup, Pope in Greece 14th-15th, Bernie event is 15th-16th. There's a chance for a meeting. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #41

I am confused: Did the Pope push back his Greece trip? noiretextatique Apr 2016 #159

Pope is going to Greece on the 16th eom noiretextatique Apr 2016 #161

I have a feeling it's going to be a bad year for them. If Hill wins all hell will break lose over Zira Apr 2016 #48

yup! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #55

If you want to get back at them, vote against every "New" Democrat in every primary hereafter. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #62

I voted for Bernie and then changed my voter registration to Unaffiliated/Independent. The democratic RKP5637 Apr 2016 #133

Anti-intellectualism, jealousy, deflection from Bill's rant yesterday. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #6

You can add Clintons TM99 Apr 2016 #37

I'm hoping there's a subversive at that $$$$$$$ Clooney dinner! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #47

Given how the 2016 election is going, this could easily happen 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #176

+10000, that is exactly what is going on. Zira Apr 2016 #49

The stench of desperation nichomachus Apr 2016 #7

It must be late. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #27

your word is more appropriate, i believe... islandmkl Apr 2016 #69

.... 840high Apr 2016 #160

The green eyed monster is very very ugly. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #8

It's the Hillary Hornets. dogman Apr 2016 #9

Those hornets drank too much hater-aid. 840high Apr 2016 #164

They feel the need to trash anything good Bernie does or has done. TDale313 Apr 2016 #10

Maybe it's none of these and they just feel like the vatican Berned them. timmymoff Apr 2016 #11

the hillary supporters here are a sad lot SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #12

insecurity of scared ego kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #13

It is simple... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #14

Because the "optics" of being invited to an international conference The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #15

There aren't going to be any optics kennetha Apr 2016 #108

it's all over the news right now isn't it? retrowire Apr 2016 #114

They have seen the very real potential for losing New York demwing Apr 2016 #16

Facing the likelihood of winning less states than Bernie Sanders does. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #24

If Bernie wins New York, Hillary is done. enigmatic Apr 2016 #64

I kinda think maybe for the NY debate, pangaia Apr 2016 #155

Subway tokens, ping pong melman Apr 2016 #17

And every time it turns out Hillary had a worse moment Kalidurga Apr 2016 #28

The media coverage of this thing going into the NY primary is going to be untouchable GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #18

Barack Obama gave a Major Speech kennetha Apr 2016 #109

I can't go into details but get ready to be surprised (again) next week. GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #129

Let me guess, kennetha Apr 2016 #134

It's what they do Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #19

they're convinced that if they can just find the right talking point, people wont support him Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #20

Exactly. bjo59 Apr 2016 #46

You're right. You don't get it. RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #21

Because it elevates Bernie's stature and makes him look like Presidential material BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #22

You really believe this? kennetha Apr 2016 #110

lmao this makes him look like a putz? retrowire Apr 2016 #116

you mean, mad as in angry, or mad as in stark raving mad? kennetha Apr 2016 #123

When someone is amused, they sit back and observe. retrowire Apr 2016 #124

Because team Hilly didn't get there first. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #23

Because he was on the view this morning billing it as if he was summoned by the pope... anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #25

"purposely misleading even if he didn't mean to" Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #31

Actually the Pope is traveling the next day - not the day of the conference. Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #33

if he was a Clinton he would say he was 'almost' invited by the Pope... islandmkl Apr 2016 #71

I think I just hurt myself, rolling my eyes so hard Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #92

same interview where he also said he had "a lot in common with the Pope" - what an ego! Native Apr 2016 #156

Q: Are you meeting the Pope? noiretextatique Apr 2016 #163

pure serendipity, apparently, but it's an implicit mockery of HRC and what she represents; amborin Apr 2016 #26

#Hoodgate #IdolatryOfMoneyGate #PanamaPapersGate Kalidurga Apr 2016 #29

I agree! hopeforchange2008 Apr 2016 #88

Desperate batshitery whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #30

Bernie Underground is an interesting place EffieBlack Apr 2016 #32

So lone Clinton supporter TM99 Apr 2016 #38

*crickets* whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #67

All of the above: petty, childish, desperate, dishonest noiretextatique Apr 2016 #90

Hillary supporters are free to use the site as much as anyone else. Dawgs Apr 2016 #72

IF Uponthegears Apr 2016 #87

Bullshit...this rejection of reality was/is pathetic and petty noiretextatique Apr 2016 #89

but but a damn bird landed on his podium !!! /sarcasm <--- cause this is needed around here uponit7771 Apr 2016 #150

They are trying to neutralize the optics truly nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #34

George Orwell described it best 70 years ago: Califonz Apr 2016 #35

The real reason? Loudestlib Apr 2016 #36

Why ? Because while Sanders is "invited to speak on the idolatry of money/the problems it presents" jmg257 Apr 2016 #39

Petty is as petty does. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #42

Lots of claims of jealousy, petty and such. The real reason jeff47 Apr 2016 #43

Quite astute of an observation there Aerows Apr 2016 #61

That, and her foreign policy consisted of bringing war, suffering and fracking to the undeserving. polly7 Apr 2016 #80

I think it an all of the above situation. I haven't heard an explanation that doesn't fit the bill berningman Apr 2016 #93

Agree. and this is a great thread! polly7 Apr 2016 #95

Yes and it's demonstrating that foreign policy can be about discussion, consensus suffragette Apr 2016 #179

Between this and the bird ... TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #44

Somebody might get some positive media attention OZi Apr 2016 #45

most of them are doing it to annoy and rile up Sanders supporters JI7 Apr 2016 #50

I'll never understand the payoff for them CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #56

Many don't like us. They really don't. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #74

ding ding ding berningman Apr 2016 #96

They hate the left more than they hate the right. frylock Apr 2016 #168

Apparently orders came down from above telling them to go full Monte negative. AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #51

Maybe knee-jerk reaction re anything not focused on their beloved? oldandhappy Apr 2016 #52

They can't handle that their candidate is too corrupt and they are losing. Zira Apr 2016 #53

OMG, What a scathing retort! Bernie acolytes are truly amazing! Fla Dem Apr 2016 #142

It's really bizarre, actually. myrna minx Apr 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2016 #57

Start using the red x on them. I found it turns it into a Liberal Democratic board. Zira Apr 2016 #60

She is in free-fall, and they know it. Plus, the Vatican turned down the Clinton Foundation silvershadow Apr 2016 #58

That, and Catholicism is the majority religion in NY and a number of other upcoming states... peacebird Apr 2016 #83

Summation. Aerows Apr 2016 #59

Great song. enigmatic Apr 2016 #63

Because they've got NOTHING! Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #65

Hillary's campaign took a big hit with Bill Clinton pointing his finger at BLM. They thought B Calm Apr 2016 #66

Perhaps, if anyone recalls silenttigersong Apr 2016 #68

They have nothing to promote. rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #70

I'm focusing on issues, any one that doesn't bring up issues gets ignored. nt Joob Apr 2016 #73

the pope declined an invite to the Clinton 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #75

One reason--Host: You're meeting with the POPE? Bernie: "Yup" (sitting nodding) riversedge Apr 2016 #76

Because the driving force behind her campaign is Myrina Apr 2016 #77

Discussions of Idolatry on DU are difficult. stone space Apr 2016 #78

they're jealous because no one wants Hillary to speak on that subject. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #79

Why can't we just keep religion out of our politics? JTFrog Apr 2016 #81

The better questino is why are Sanders people gleeful about attending a conference hosted Tarc Apr 2016 #82

I am not gleeful...but it is interesting noiretextatique Apr 2016 #97

I don't think his invitation is being belittled - it's the false claim that he will be DrDan Apr 2016 #84

Jealousy WolverineDG Apr 2016 #85

Oh yes we are so jealous that HRC isn't attending an academic seminar Fla Dem Apr 2016 #144

Thank you for proving my point. nt WolverineDG Apr 2016 #182

Because she is mathematically inevitable AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #86

I think the party is divided more than ever before. The DNC corruption means they are losing a good Zira Apr 2016 #140

yeah, it's insane-- I guess they have nothing more important to go with Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #91

He isn't scheduled to speak and he isn't meeting the pope. ucrdem Apr 2016 #94

No...the pope is in town noiretextatique Apr 2016 #98

Verb tense matters. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #99

The Pope postponed his trip noiretextatique Apr 2016 #158

Because sometimes politics is stupid mythology Apr 2016 #100

Probably because Hills didn't get an invite... haikugal Apr 2016 #101

One word. 99Forever Apr 2016 #102

I think it's fantasitc BainsBane Apr 2016 #105

Two reasons: Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #106

There won't be ANY optics kennetha Apr 2016 #112

Any photo of Bernie there will do. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #115

back at ya bud. kennetha Apr 2016 #117

I suppose that's a possibility. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #119

Which campaign? /nt Marr Apr 2016 #145

everybody already knows it's happening retrowire Apr 2016 #118

The optics of him lying about it on The View and Morning Joe kennetha Apr 2016 #120

he was invited. retrowire Apr 2016 #121

he was invited because one of his supporters lobbied to get him invited kennetha Apr 2016 #122

You know what's pathetic? retrowire Apr 2016 #125

Actually, he wasn't even invited to speak kennetha Apr 2016 #107

All this sturm und drang over a nothingburger Fumesucker Apr 2016 #111

K&R quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #113

There's this, with Sanders blaring the trumpet of his personal invite from the Pope himself Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #127

I would think many would support it, it's what this world needs! It's a reason I changed my RKP5637 Apr 2016 #128

True. I'm changing for the same reason. Zira Apr 2016 #139

Yep! And both the parties are minorities in the US per Gallup, so many are fed up with them. RKP5637 Apr 2016 #141

They think only of Mrs. Clinton, not at all of the party or the 99% Doctor_J Apr 2016 #171

It's a very very very selfish stance they take. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #172

No kidding?! Fascinating! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #131

The conference is fine. Pretending you have been summoned by the Pope during NY election is sleazy. Hoyt Apr 2016 #135

I know that most fundies only tolerate Catholics artislife Apr 2016 #138

He's doing it for the $250k speaking fee. Wait...wrong politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #143

Hillary said at one time she 840high Apr 2016 #167

DUzy! Petrushka Apr 2016 #178

Because they don't have principles. They only have idolatry. cui bono Apr 2016 #146

Desperation RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #148

It's (fill in the blank) derangement syndrome matt819 Apr 2016 #151

A) The Clintons have become very rich krispos42 Apr 2016 #152

The PNAC and the bankers just got skunked.. pangaia Apr 2016 #153

Because he agreed on "The View" on national TV that the Pope invited him. brush Apr 2016 #154

Yep! Their paragon of virtue and honesty LIED about something so easily disproved... why? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #180

Maddow today repeating "disqualify" meme after HRC said let it go. Negative, negative, negative . snowy owl Apr 2016 #157

They've gone absolutely nuts with this. Multiple OPs slamming Bernie over it. senz Apr 2016 #162

because the nervous reactions continue for a while reddread Apr 2016 #165

Purely out of envy. frylock Apr 2016 #166

How does crowing about a trip to the Vatican speak truth to power, anyway? ucrdem Apr 2016 #169

We are not "crowing" about it. totodeinhere Apr 2016 #175

Mostly because they are out of options Doctor_J Apr 2016 #170

Wall Street was offended, that is all there is too this "outrage". Odin2005 Apr 2016 #177

Haters, who don't care about a decent Democratic politician or any of us millions that support him? lostnfound Apr 2016 #181

We should talk about people Bill met 40 years ago JoePhilly Apr 2016 #183

It clearly shows who is working for good and who is on the other side. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #184