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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
54. Yup.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

We need to do that.

I see that happening. Many of us do.

Here's Robert Reich, a very cool look into a possible future~

How the Peoples Party Prevailed in 2020
MONDAY, MARCH 21, 2016

Third parties have rarely posed much of a threat to the dominant two parties in America. So how did the People’s Party win the U.S. presidency and a majority of both houses of Congress in 2020?

It started four years before, with the election of 2016.

As you remember, Donald Trump didn’t have enough delegates to become the Republican candidate, so the GOP convention that summer was “brokered” – which meant the Party establishment took control, and nominated the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan.

Trump tried to incite riots but his “I deserve to be president because I’m the best person in the world!” speech incited universal scorn instead, and he slunk off the national stage (his last words, shouted as he got into his stretch limousine, were “Fu*ck you, America!”)

On the Democratic side, despite a large surge of votes for Bernie Sanders in the final months of the primaries, Hillary Clinton’s stable of wealthy donors and superdelegates put her over the top.

Both Republican and Democratic political establishments breathed palpable sighs of relief, and congratulated themselves on remaining in control of the nation’s politics.

They attributed Trump’s rise to his fanning of bigotry and xenophobia, and Sanders’s popularity to his fueling of left-wing extremism.

They conveniently ignored the deeper anger in both camps about the arbitrariness and unfairness of the economy, and about a political system rigged in favor of the rich and privileged.

And they shut their eyes to the anti-establishment fury that had welled up among independents, young people, poor and middle-class Democrats, and white working-class Republicans.

So they went back to doing what they had been doing before. Establishment Republicans reverted to their old blather about the virtues of the “free market,” and establishment Democrats returned to their perennial call for “incremental reform.”

And Wall Street, big corporations, and a handful of billionaires resumed pulling the strings of both parties to make sure regulatory agencies didn’t have enough staff to enforce rules, and to pass the Trans Pacific Partnership.

Establishment politicians also arranged to reduce taxes on big corporations and simultaneously increase federal subsidies to them, expand tax loopholes for the wealthy, and cut Social Security and Medicare to pay for it all. (“Sadly, we have no choice,” said the new President, who had staffed the White House and Treasury with Wall Streeters and corporate lobbyists, and filled boards and commissions with corporate executives).

Meanwhile, most Americans continued to lose ground.

Even before the recession of 2018, most families were earning less than they’d earned in 2000, adjusted for inflation. Businesses continued to shift most employees off their payrolls and into “on demand” contracts so workers had no idea what they’d be earning from week to week. And the ranks of the working poor continued to swell.

At the same time, CEO pay packages grew even larger, Wall Street bonus pools got fatter, and a record number of billionaires were becoming multi-billionaires.

Then, of course, came the recession, along with bank losses requiring another round of bailouts. The Treasury Secretary, a former managing director of Morgan Stanley, expressed shock and outrage, explaining the nation had no choice and vowing to “get tough” on the banks once the crisis was over.

Politics abhors a vacuum. In 2019, the People’s Party filled it.

Its platform called for getting big money out of politics, ending “crony capitalism,” abolishing corporate welfare, stopping the revolving door between government and the private sector, and busting up the big Wall Street banks and corporate monopolies.

The People’s Party also pledged to revoke the Trans Pacific Partnership, hike taxes on the rich to pay for a wage subsidy (a vastly expanded Earned Income Tax Credit) for everyone earning below the median, and raise taxes on corporations that outsource jobs abroad or pay their executives more than 100 times the pay of typical Americans.

Americans rallied to the cause. Millions who called themselves conservatives and Tea Partiers joined with millions who called themselves liberals and progressives against a political establishment that had shown itself incapable of hearing what they had been demanding for years.

The rest, as they say, is history.

http://robertreich.org/

7-7 is a tie. Ties happen. stone space Apr 2016 #1
Even ties that aren't..... daleanime Apr 2016 #3
Ties in raw numbers that effect the delegate count are decided by coin tosses here in Iowa. stone space Apr 2016 #11
What a victory for democracy.... daleanime Apr 2016 #77
The Iowa Democratic Caucus is an exercise in Democracy. stone space Apr 2016 #78
Do you understand the premise of the post? pangaia Apr 2016 #55
I'm not talking about supers. Including supers is like including poll results. stone space Apr 2016 #56
That is also my point. pangaia Apr 2016 #58
The "margin" in a 7-7 delegate allocation is 0. stone space Apr 2016 #60
sure there is - because of established rules DrDan Apr 2016 #64
That is STILL my point. The rules are made by those who do not want pangaia Apr 2016 #65
were the rules different for Obama?, for Kerry?, for Gore?, for WJC? DrDan Apr 2016 #67
I have always felt it was wrong. pangaia Apr 2016 #147
Aren't super delegates elected officials? oberliner Apr 2016 #119
Some super delegates are LOBBYISTS! Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #121
That is not true oberliner Apr 2016 #130
It is very true unfortunately Dragonfli Apr 2016 #139
Thank you for the help oberliner Apr 2016 #148
Your welcome, I only learned of it myself a couple months ago and at first thought "no way" Dragonfli Apr 2016 #149
Agreed on all points oberliner Apr 2016 #150
I am going to book mark this thread, in order to remind me to work with you on this after the GE Dragonfli Apr 2016 #151
Sounds good oberliner Apr 2016 #158
I see the list and I see that Howard Dean Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #155
I've been corrected above oberliner Apr 2016 #157
No! Rigged ties happen! bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #126
Bernie Sanders campaign are shitty organizers Trenzalore Apr 2016 #2
What are you talking about? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #7
Bernie's team didn't use the surrogate ballots Trenzalore Apr 2016 #10
how do you know they didn't use surrogate ballots? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #14
They certainly didn't use them as effectively as Hillary's campaign did. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #15
Second place =/= total failure hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #120
He won by 12%. That is NOT an effective (enough) use of surrogates. PotatoChip Apr 2016 #142
Very well said. RiverLover Apr 2016 #143
Thanks RiverLover! (nt) PotatoChip Apr 2016 #144
That's because Bernie is not a corrupt power broker fueled by personal ambition and greed, Maedhros Apr 2016 #153
Of the more than 600 surrogate ballots received, 402 went in favor of Clinton and a mere 215 went to RiverLover Apr 2016 #16
Agreed. Ask your neighbors if they can get to the polls and if not get them an absentee ballot Henhouse Apr 2016 #9
That's a despicable attitude. Maedhros Apr 2016 #152
Sanders got the hell out of New York as soon as he had a chance. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4
And he never moved back there to try to improve or livetohike Apr 2016 #13
And Hillary has spent her life in Arkansas, or is it Illinois? One never knows with her. pangaia Apr 2016 #61
Why didn't Hillary move back to arkansas TheFarseer Apr 2016 #68
Just like Bobby Kennedy Buzz cook Apr 2016 #92
And Hillary moved here solely for the purpose of running for the Senate seat . . . markpkessinger Apr 2016 #66
she did a very good job looking after her constituents, and made sure to spend geek tragedy Apr 2016 #75
She did exactly what Bobby Kennedy did. okasha Apr 2016 #86
I'm wondering why primaries are held in the first place. Vinca Apr 2016 #5
They sure did. /nt RiverLover Apr 2016 #6
So should the candidate be chosen by amount of supporters at ad hoc rallies? LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #17
The super delegates are a problem. Vinca Apr 2016 #39
Any SD who's an elected official that votes against their state's popular vote... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #43
I get a Vermont newspaper even though I live in NH, and there have been some very Vinca Apr 2016 #49
Good. Time to primary those SDs. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #51
So eliminate the Superdelegates, change the Caucuses to Primaries LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #62
That would work for me, even if my chosen candidate loses. Vinca Apr 2016 #70
I think that change could be a significant point of consensus. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #93
Talk to Tad, he was an engineer of the SDs. WhiteTara Apr 2016 #108
How do you figure that? mythology Apr 2016 #35
If we're going to have races based on the popular vote, that's what should be counted. Vinca Apr 2016 #41
It is an outrage that the Republicans are suppressing the vote SharonClark Apr 2016 #113
Here is how the game is rigged. Vinca Apr 2016 #123
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #8
Of course they do, his nomination would be a free gift to the GOP nt anigbrowl Apr 2016 #89
Feel the Whine Renew Deal Apr 2016 #12
the cruel joke will happen in nov restorefreedom Apr 2016 #18
FYI: chervilant Apr 2016 #28
thanks. its amazing how a comment can be pretzeled into what restorefreedom Apr 2016 #32
It's almost as pretzeled as your contention that Clinton is cheating mythology Apr 2016 #42
iowa, ma, arizona, nevada, and now wyoming. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #71
Aw. You're bitter. grossproffit Apr 2016 #31
i am betting a while lot of hillary supporters restorefreedom Apr 2016 #33
There'll be hippie punching like never before seen! TransitJohn Apr 2016 #36
Oh, believe you me, I'll enjoy coming back here on the 9th to rub their noses in it. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #40
Where you've been nothing but nice to Clinton supporters? mythology Apr 2016 #46
and their awful candidate. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #72
If voters do not turn out, it's their fault. LonePirate Apr 2016 #80
Right, I meant "not turn out for her." eom TransitJohn Apr 2016 #84
I understand your feeling but... pangaia Apr 2016 #57
then bernie better win the primary restorefreedom Apr 2016 #74
I am with you 100%. pangaia Apr 2016 #81
yeah those of us not in swing areas restorefreedom Apr 2016 #83
Free Republic is over that way >>>> anigbrowl Apr 2016 #90
lol nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #91
Looking forward to a Trump presidency? What a rat-fucky thing to say. WOW. bettyellen Apr 2016 #94
nice try. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #99
Didn't Trump say the exact same thing about Mississippi? RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #19
Heavens! Who would've guessed that when only real registered Democrats Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #20
. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #22
Yes? Where's the "runaway" landslide à la NE, UT, WA, etc. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #24
This is the first election I have ever seen, after 37 yrs, where a 12 point victory was called a tie Dragonfli Apr 2016 #25
Mold-breaking year...in all respects. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #26
And a .02 margin Bettie Apr 2016 #128
I haven't believe me. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #131
I just remember being castigated Bettie Apr 2016 #132
I read an interesting article this am about the consequences of Lesser Evil voting RiverLover Apr 2016 #134
Wow Bettie Apr 2016 #135
My pleasure. RiverLover Apr 2016 #140
First of all, hello to my favorite river enthusiast and dragonfly lover! Second, great article Dragonfli Apr 2016 #138
Excellent post & link, Dragonfli! Thanks!! RiverLover Apr 2016 #141
I assume like myself, you have seen several election cycles, since well before the internet age Dragonfli Apr 2016 #136
Exactly what I've been thinking Bettie Apr 2016 #137
I don't like caucuses, but it's what some states prefer. The rules were set long ago, so it's not Hoyt Apr 2016 #21
But, but...tinfoil hats feel SO good. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #23
So let me see if I understand thew Camp Sanders narrative Tarc Apr 2016 #27
The problem as I see it... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #29
Actually you don't understand, at least #!. kiva Apr 2016 #103
The fact that you carp about "the next level" shows how little Camp Sanders cares about democracy Tarc Apr 2016 #109
I don't think 'carp' means what you think it means. kiva Apr 2016 #111
It means bitch and moan, or whine, or bellyache, or throw a hissy fit, etc... Tarc Apr 2016 #115
Take it up with the Democratic Party. kiva Apr 2016 #117
"Take it up with the Democratic Party" Tarc Apr 2016 #125
And the next time Hillary supporters complain kiva Apr 2016 #145
Yep, Netflix & chill isn't a job Tarc Apr 2016 #146
nailed it uponit7771 Apr 2016 #124
Did he know the party's rules when he decided to latch onto the Democratic Party Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #30
Nye, many of Senator Sanders new, young registered saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #34
WY superdelegates violating the will of the voters. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #37
Expensive, but Deb sure knows how to put on a good show. Octafish Apr 2016 #45
Yep. Sham democracy from sham Democrats. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #47
Thank goodness for the Internet. Octafish Apr 2016 #52
"cruel joke" bigtree Apr 2016 #38
Well, cons will be cons. RiverLover Apr 2016 #44
Sanders should have formed his own party and run KingFlorez Apr 2016 #48
Yup. RiverLover Apr 2016 #54
If Sanders does manage to get more pledged delegates than Clinton and still ends up Marr Apr 2016 #50
If that happens, might as well hold Trump's inauguration immediately. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #53
Caucus vs. primary CBHagman Apr 2016 #59
so the results were rigged because rules were followed - got it DrDan Apr 2016 #63
... SidDithers Apr 2016 #69
Nice of you to quote from Murdoch's NY Post. Beacool Apr 2016 #73
He was Gored by the system Blue Owl Apr 2016 #76
Rigged IS Right. Octafish Apr 2016 #79
Caucuses are undemocratic, not "rigged". LisaM Apr 2016 #82
Do you not see how you're being manipulated? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #85
Even when people explain the facts, the CT theories persist. It is embarrassing. bettyellen Apr 2016 #95
BS. Its the other way around. ie SALON- "10 Ways the Dem Primary Has Been Rigged from the Start" RiverLover Apr 2016 #106
LOL Salon anigbrowl Apr 2016 #159
This ^^^ treestar Apr 2016 #129
It's called...math? Tarc Apr 2016 #87
Maybe others can say this is just politics. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #88
People were cool with the system 8 yrs ago, when it worked for Obama. I do not do hypocrisy. seabeyond Apr 2016 #96
And if Hillary wins this rigged process, they expect us to vote for her BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #97
Not really, no anigbrowl Apr 2016 #98
I know several states will have marijuana initiatives on their ballots. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #101
I wouldn't be too optimistic anigbrowl Apr 2016 #104
You keep telling yourself that. Most Bernie supporters here are lifelong Dems, like me. RiverLover Apr 2016 #102
OK, but so what? DU isn't representative of the general population anigbrowl Apr 2016 #107
+1 Marr Apr 2016 #122
I expect absolutely nothing from you. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #110
If seh manages to steal the Nom Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #100
She will lose the general and if not, our congress will grow even more horrid. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #114
Indeed. We are learning fast aren't we?! Let's use our infusion of energy from this to tear the haikugal Apr 2016 #105
It's not rigged, that is how caucuses work SharonClark Apr 2016 #112
Post #67 wyldwolf Apr 2016 #116
Will you be having a red or white whine with your cheese? brooklynite Apr 2016 #118
And DWS says the supers are to make sure there is no grassroots.........peoples vote do not count bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #127
I don't understand this, but I think caucuses are undemocratic. alarimer Apr 2016 #133
Rigged, shmigged...those are the rules. Don't like it? Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #154
Sanders cheerleaders like the rules when it allows them to get more delegates in Nevada SFnomad Apr 2016 #156
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