2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: A Kwik Kwiz -- Did ISIS originate in Iraq or Syria? What caused it? (Answer before reading.) [View all]JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)and the many different foreign interventions that advanced them either intentionally or as blowback, the key reality here is that there would not be an "Islamic STATE" holding territory today without, first of all and most importantly, the U.S. decision to wage an unprovoked aggressive war against Iraq, breaking down that nation. The second most important factor is the Saudi role in promoting jihadism and jihadis. The third is the foreign interventions in Syria before and after the failed revolution, where otherwise there might only be a war between Assad and the homegrown revolutionary factions, if that. The Kurds are the only real domestic militia left holding territory, and the U.S. is keeping them out of the talks - why? - even though the Pentagon supported their offensives. Again, how the many jihadi militias broke up, refounded and recombined wouldn't matter. They would not hold anything approaching this kind of territory.
And the rise of the same phenomenon in Libya is on Clinton's ledger.