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JackRiddler

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20. Anyway, whatever the metamorphoses of the jihadis...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

and the many different foreign interventions that advanced them either intentionally or as blowback, the key reality here is that there would not be an "Islamic STATE" holding territory today without, first of all and most importantly, the U.S. decision to wage an unprovoked aggressive war against Iraq, breaking down that nation. The second most important factor is the Saudi role in promoting jihadism and jihadis. The third is the foreign interventions in Syria before and after the failed revolution, where otherwise there might only be a war between Assad and the homegrown revolutionary factions, if that. The Kurds are the only real domestic militia left holding territory, and the U.S. is keeping them out of the talks - why? - even though the Pentagon supported their offensives. Again, how the many jihadi militias broke up, refounded and recombined wouldn't matter. They would not hold anything approaching this kind of territory.

And the rise of the same phenomenon in Libya is on Clinton's ledger.

Hillary the neocon. Notice how she threw Iran in there as a cause of ISIS? Avalux Apr 2016 #1
She is Joe Lieberman with better PR jfern Apr 2016 #28
wow... Hill sounds like someone from crazy land yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #2
Obviously. It originated with the Iraqi insurgency... JackRiddler Apr 2016 #3
Tsk, that's "beyond absurd". ISIS was formed in Syria the former SOS has spoken riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #4
The Atlantic and BBC Armstead Apr 2016 #5
Isis began "in Syria, where there was a largely secular uprising against President Bashar al-Assad" Henhouse Apr 2016 #12
That "foolish old man" knew better than to attack Iraq unlike the foolish woman who lied about it: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #15
You ought to read the Atlantic article again Armstead Apr 2016 #16
Direct quote from the article you posted: Henhouse Apr 2016 #22
Second front Armstead Apr 2016 #23
You should quit, because you are just making yourself look worse and worse.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #26
And with the Brutal conditions Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #6
Not to mention, many of the Sunni tribes straddled the Iraq/Syria border karynnj Apr 2016 #18
I watched it...and it was total NeoCon.... KoKo Apr 2016 #7
Irt sounded good as a soundbite I guess Armstead Apr 2016 #8
Here's the problem, though... KoKo Apr 2016 #10
No wonder she thought Iraq ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #9
IMHO....from watching her... KoKo Apr 2016 #11
Hillarious told me it was RUSSIA!!! PUTIIIINNNNNNNNNNN FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #13
Started in Syria, organized in Iraq Bradical79 Apr 2016 #14
See the BBC and Atlantic articles above Armstead Apr 2016 #17
Many of ISIS' top military leaders are former Saddam Baathist military riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #21
Iraq, angry Sunnis icecreamfan Apr 2016 #19
Anyway, whatever the metamorphoses of the jihadis... JackRiddler Apr 2016 #20
Exactly... Armstead Apr 2016 #24
"well get the *reformist* IS, and then we'll go after the REAL threat--Iran! and Russia!" MisterP Apr 2016 #25
The Iraqi Insurgency became Al Qaeda in Iraq... laid low after the surge, then hopped into Syria... phleshdef Apr 2016 #27
No... Pissed-off iraqi Sunnis and Al-Malicki pissing them off even more. DetlefK Apr 2016 #29
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