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seekthetruth

(504 posts)
10. Flipping the script on flipping the script.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

First of all, I’ll just say that I hold nothing against Clinton supporters. They have every right to voice their opinion and support whichever candidate they feel holds their best interests at heart. I’ll simply state why Clinton, I strongly feel, does not hold mine.

What are the consequences if we don’t raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour? What are the consequences if we leave it up to the states to do this on their own? A few very important ones. States in the deep South have constituencies that still hold a very racially biased view of things. I know many white people in more urban areas may be able to argue that $15 may be too fast, too soon, but they look at things from their own social point of view. Not saying anyone is outwardly racist, but the way in which we view society and what directions should be taken are strongly influenced by our own position in the societal hierarchy. I don’t trust conservative state leaders to do the things that are in the best interests of their people - note, Kansas, and many other states in the South. I’m from the South, and used to be a conservative myself when I was being raised. I now live in Washington state, and many out here do not simply understand how people really believe in the South. You simply have to live and have roots there. People are suffering in poverty, and they’re relying on multiple jobs just to make ends meet. $12 is not enough, and supposedly Clinton is now supporting $15 (or something to that effect), it seems. I watched the latest debate, and she flipped again. Her response was that she supported $15 but that $12 was good enough. Not good enough for the people.
Fracking. Enough said on this one. This is one issue where we need a president with a combative stance on this since this is so very closely tied to a particular industry. I think we all need to revisit history. Look at what the U.S. did during the buildup to WWII. Whole companies did their part for the war effort and began making bombs, bullets, tanks, etc., in a matter of months. Why can’t we do the same now? Easy answer - because those in power do not see the profitability of going to alternative energy. And Clinton wants to continue on our suicidal course to climate change, and you support that? We need bold action, not bold statements. Besides, I live in Washington state, and our weather is significantly changing. My wife, who is a native to this state, keeps saying every year how the bloom cycles are changing for many of our plants, and how things are so different now. I grew up in the South and remember November days hardly being above 55 degrees. Now they’re seeing weeks of 70+ degree weather. Something is happening, and it’s not good! We don’t need a leader who has a track record of spreading the toxic practice of fracking. Enough said.
Again, I’m guessing you’re not from a low income minority family. College is too, too, too, too pricey these days. And it’s college! Isn't earning an education an act that should be supported and rewarded? We’re punishing young people by requiring them to take on this huge amount of debt just to get a job that doesn’t pay as much as it really should. Where is the money going to come from? Well, our society hasn’t totally gone into chaos from spending trillions of dollars in war, why do we now say that it’s too expensive to help our young people get the education they need to help drive the economy by getting into good jobs? We’re seeing increasing stratification in our society, in all respects.

Have you thought of what will happen if we just go with the status quo? Have you thought of the inner mechanisms that currently control our political system? I think that’s where Clinton supporters miss the mark.

+1, we haven't done this enough when it comes to Sanders... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #1
You seem to think and fear those are going to be done his first day in office. Autumn Apr 2016 #2
Oh come on now ornotna Apr 2016 #59
I think people forget how college entry is severely restricted in nations where it is free..... bettyellen Apr 2016 #3
Interesting point about admissions CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #5
I haven't and neither has Bernie. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #29
Improving public education and Bernie's plan are not mutually exclusive. Both are needed. Armstead Apr 2016 #30
Too many people don't understand... Corporate666 Apr 2016 #47
We are smart enough to figure out every one of those. I have more faith in America Armstead Apr 2016 #50
"If a kid doesn't set goals and work to meet them, it is not society's job to force them." bettyellen Apr 2016 #51
Re: Medicaid buy-in SFnomad Apr 2016 #4
I am sure he has thought for a very long time on all of these things Marrah_G Apr 2016 #6
Fair enough. I'll address your points in order. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #7
Those aren't answers, they are platitudes Corporate666 Apr 2016 #44
mmm hmmm. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #46
1. Minimum wage. There's no reason NYC shouldn't be able to raise their minimum wage to $20.50 ... Scuba Apr 2016 #8
Answer this: CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #9
Because he knows and his supporters know that for his political revolution to be ... Scuba Apr 2016 #14
Or, is it a way of hiding the size of the necessary tax increase? CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #15
Watch this. smiley Apr 2016 #16
Success relies on us. If we go into a deal already retreating we will not go far enough to move them. The Wielding Truth Apr 2016 #26
Why does one person need 2-bedrooms? oberliner Apr 2016 #21
For their kids? Or do you support ... Scuba Apr 2016 #35
Most single people don't have kids oberliner Apr 2016 #38
I'm not sure what your point is, if you have one, but seems to me that one should be able to ... Scuba Apr 2016 #55
The figures should show the one-bedroom housing wage rather than the two-bedroom housing wage oberliner Apr 2016 #56
Flipping the script on flipping the script. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #10
I believe that you are misusing the term, 'flip the script' me b zola Apr 2016 #11
Excellent post! pandr32 Apr 2016 #12
"Clean energy renewables"? Tell that to the people with wells contaminated by fracking. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #13
Yep. We must be smart enough to be able to use renewables. Not in 20 years but now. The Wielding Truth Apr 2016 #28
In order, plus a bonus #4. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #17
What if the majority of the lawmakers are Republicans? oberliner Apr 2016 #22
We Bernie supporters truly don't understand this train of thought. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #34
I am not suggesting this as a reason not to support Bernie oberliner Apr 2016 #37
The composition of congress is immaterial to the goals and principles POTUS holds and articulates. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #39
That's true - but they can prevent those goals from being realized oberliner Apr 2016 #43
Hillary has campaigned as the pragmatic, incremental candidate. She can work with this congress. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #45
I am not suggesting that you vote for Hillary oberliner Apr 2016 #49
I would consider it a success if he can move the terms of the discussion. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #57
Another bullshit hit piece angrychair Apr 2016 #18
My questions are serious... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #19
Hardly serious angrychair Apr 2016 #20
The context... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #23
Read, listen and pay attention to details angrychair Apr 2016 #25
Can those agenda items move forward without majority legislative support? oberliner Apr 2016 #24
Cool. Step one) agree that we want these things. JCanete Apr 2016 #27
The DNC does support it... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #32
So the DNC supports these things if what we're talking about is not actually getting these things?nt JCanete Apr 2016 #58
Don't want this to be neglected, because appreciate your attempt to discuss issues...... Armstead Apr 2016 #31
That's a bit of fantasy... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #33
Nothing any Democrat ever proposes will get anywhere unless there are such changes Armstead Apr 2016 #48
Huh? I didn't blame Bernie for anything... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #54
There are lots of things that were "fantasy" Marrah_G Apr 2016 #53
Not a suppporter of either candidate... my vote is my business, but you want to discuss policy sure nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #36
Re:college CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #40
If the states refuse to do it, liek they are doing with the ACA nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #42
These questions show me you either haven't done any research or the media really is lousy. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #41
Do you have anything you think is worth having the courage to do? Marrah_G Apr 2016 #52
I'm sorry. I cannot respond to someone that uses fracking and clean energy in the same sentence. jillan Apr 2016 #60
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