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NurseJackie

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14. If someone wants to participate in party activities, namely...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

If someone wants to participate in party activities, namely... the act of choosing the PARTY'S nominee... then they should join the fucking party. It's just that simple.

For a group of people who fancy themselves as being "politically active" and "involved with the process", it certainly seems to me that they don't know as much as they think they do (or maybe they're just not as involved as they claim they are.)

Registering in the middle of an election cycle? No particular candidate to "motivate" you ... well, just pick an actual party that comes closest to representing your views and opinions and philosophy. Again: simple!

If someone's truly "independent", or if they just can't decide, or if they place more value on the pride of being able to label themselves as being "independent" or "free thinking" or "not beholden to a party" (instead of taking on the responsibility of participating with PARTY ACTIVITIES) then good-for-them! That's their choice and all the limitations that come with it ... but ultimately, it's their choice, and those are the consequences (so to speak) of their own decision.

But all is not lost. They can still participate by VOLUNTEERING for, and DONATING to the primary candidate of their preference. And if the actual PARTY MEMBERS agree and select that candidate as the PARTY'S nominee, then they can vote for that candidate in the General Election.

Don't like the rules? Well... it seems that their best chance of helping to shape and influence the rules would be to do so from WITHIN the party machinery. Standing on the street and shouting about it doesn't seem to be working. Posting on social media and hashtagging it to death isn't working either. When all else fails, come up with a new plan.

That's how a two party system works. "Perfect" is not always a choice. You can ask for "perfect", but you don't always get it.

Having the deadline to switch parties 6 months before the primary... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #1
Yeah, I find the double standard troubling TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #73
Independents in NY are warned they can not vote in primaries when they register to vote. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #2
You decided to disenfranchise the independents six months before primaries? The Old Lie Apr 2016 #9
These laws have been in place for decades hack89 Apr 2016 #13
Closed primaries are the long-time rule in New York. MineralMan Apr 2016 #24
I love when people that don't live in NY and have no idea how NY works Renew Deal Apr 2016 #28
"Disenfranchise". Laughable. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #33
But what about those voters who've had their registration changed without their floriduck Apr 2016 #53
^^THIS^^ n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #66
Absolutely! hrmjustin Apr 2016 #71
If that is true. Yes. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #96
Only Sanders finds a problem with New York election law. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #94
As a 'native New Yorker', he should have known this and worked accordingly. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #3
:) Dem2 Apr 2016 #6
Did he say he didn't know it? merrily Apr 2016 #81
No, but since he did, he should have been more active in Sep. and Oct. to get people switched. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #87
While he was trying to raise money and DWS purposely held off the first debate? merrily Apr 2016 #88
He stashed his NY election rules with all his subway tokens. IamMab Apr 2016 #82
While Hillary got carpal tunnel trying to use the card? Yeah, that was so much better. merrily Apr 2016 #84
Average New Yorkers struggle with the subway card the same way every day. IamMab Apr 2016 #91
Um, no they don't struggle that same way. merrily Apr 2016 #92
The nonsense about the metrocard leftynyc Apr 2016 #93
And of course Bernie is right again. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #4
Just think if Republicans were welcomed to vote in our Primaries. Or Green Party members could. randome Apr 2016 #11
whatever you say bub wendylaroux Apr 2016 #55
Yeah RandySF Apr 2016 #17
yes,but just think if only black millennials could. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #57
She was taking fairness and you made it about racial division. She's right; you're wrong. merrily Apr 2016 #86
we would, no doubt, have less whining . . . DrDan Apr 2016 #90
When Bernie did his party switcheroo to run for president, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #5
Seems like whining to me. Stop labeling people... timlot Apr 2016 #7
Bernie going to be doing alot of bashing in the next several weeks.. DCBob Apr 2016 #8
Yup. It could be interesting this week and next. MineralMan Apr 2016 #25
Indeed. It will likely get ugly for the Bernie team in the next few weeks. DCBob Apr 2016 #32
Well, I can wait for those primary elections and see MineralMan Apr 2016 #36
I will up be late tomorrow night and celebrating with other like-minded DUers here. DCBob Apr 2016 #38
I'm an early riser, so staying up for primary MineralMan Apr 2016 #39
Sounds good.. DCBob Apr 2016 #42
CA open Skink Apr 2016 #29
Right.. that's a crazy development there. DCBob Apr 2016 #31
It will be CA that will clinch the majority of pledged delegates for Secretary Clinton n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #58
Yes, that is probably correct . DCBob Apr 2016 #65
I said "pledged delegates" ... which is no different than Obama in 2008 SFnomad Apr 2016 #68
Right.. I just corrected my post. DCBob Apr 2016 #70
Yes please disenfranchise CA now Skink Apr 2016 #61
CA has never played much of a role in the nominating process. DCBob Apr 2016 #63
Even so the millennials are excited to register to vote in CA! HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #75
Agreed.. that's good thing for the future. DCBob Apr 2016 #80
In 2000, 2004 and 2008, California was part of Super Tuesday SFnomad Apr 2016 #76
Oh really.. I didnt know that. DCBob Apr 2016 #78
Yeah, in 2008, there were so many states in it, they were calling it "Super Duper Tuesday" SFnomad Apr 2016 #97
Stop crying Hillary folks... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #10
We are celebrating a probable big win tomorrow.. you guys are the ones complaining and crying. DCBob Apr 2016 #19
Because we don't like disenfranchisement? DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #37
Any citizen and resident of NY state can register and vote in the general election. DCBob Apr 2016 #40
It's the sixth months before hand requirement that is the problem. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #43
I suspect those who made that rule wanted to minimize any potential shenanigans.. DCBob Apr 2016 #48
So you agree with my argument and then say that my argument lacks substance. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #51
No I dont agree. There is no disenfranchisement. DCBob Apr 2016 #54
You agreed that 6 months was too long. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #60
No.. I just said it does seem a bit extreme but that's the states call. DCBob Apr 2016 #62
That's not the end of the story. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #64
The excuses have already begun. RandySF Apr 2016 #12
If someone wants to participate in party activities, namely... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #14
This is the part that makes no sense to me... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #27
+1 nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #46
Since, as I've noted numerous times, the smaller parties don't hold primaries... OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #49
amazing that over 5 million people managed to figure this out in NY state geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
They Don't Want to Commit to the Democratic Party They Just Want to Date Around Stallion Apr 2016 #23
Registration vs Turnout in NY: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #72
... MoonRiver Apr 2016 #16
Should Have Been Part of Calculus When Bernie Decided to Co-Op the Democratic Party Stallion Apr 2016 #18
So when he caucused with the Dems all those years Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #85
Democrats selecting their own nominee - The Horror! MineralMan Apr 2016 #20
Well you claim to be all about GOTV. NY has some of the country's worst turnout due to various Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #59
I don't live in New York. I've never voted there. MineralMan Apr 2016 #74
Yeah, I know where you vote. You are here touting the excellence of NY's rules and you are always Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #95
An offer of cheese to go with that whine KingFlorez Apr 2016 #21
I would tend to agree that the process is corrupted ... salinsky Apr 2016 #22
Boo hooo Renew Deal Apr 2016 #26
When he's back in the Senate, perhaps the Amendment King can pass a resolution about this. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #30
Good idea! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #35
I guess Bernie Sanders is not the King of New York workinclasszero Apr 2016 #34
Why should independents pick the democratic party's nominee? sufrommich Apr 2016 #41
Perhaps his campaign should have worked Codeine Apr 2016 #44
Remove Paul supporters from being able to vote in our primary. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #45
Bingo! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #56
Just. Like. Trump. ecstatic Apr 2016 #47
Democratic party making 'smart' decisions beedle Apr 2016 #50
Nice graphs. The 'Big Tent' is shrinking and Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #83
From The New York City Campaign Finance Board...strong criticism for restrictive election laws.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #52
Bernie's full of shit on this one Onlooker Apr 2016 #67
NY is proud of having lousy turnout and high voter apathy? Wow! Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #69
He loves caucuses though. ecstatic Apr 2016 #89
+1 DCBob Apr 2016 #98
Will Bernie please stop with the whining?????? Gomez163 Apr 2016 #77
I can't agree with this. People should know the rules in their own state. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #79
If only there was a way the Sanders campaign could have found out the rules in advance... brooklynite Apr 2016 #99
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