2016 Postmortem

Proud Liberal Dem

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152. IKR?

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:22 PM

Apr 2016

I guess that, by using that logic, by not voting for Hillary, Sanders and his supporters are de-legitimizing her and her supporters? Is that how this works?

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What do HRC supporters think they gain by trying to delegitimize the Sanders movement? [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2016 OP

I wish you were this concerned about all the vicious anti-Hillary threads piled up here realmirage Apr 2016 #1

+1000 n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #20

I think both sides see attacks on their candidate as 'delegitimizing', when in reality it seems like eastwestdem Apr 2016 #26

Precisely. Both sides are playing the same game, and pretend to be blind to it. nt anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #60

Most of Sanders' supporters are liberals who Hortensis Apr 2016 #72

I think we would be better off with a President who started negotiations from what is Blue Meany Apr 2016 #85

You see what you call "triangulating" as weakness. Hortensis Apr 2016 #138

The Clintons didn't just triangulate towards progressive goals... Blue Meany Apr 2016 #142

Most of Sanders' supporters passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #86

Bernie's proposals are well thought-out and paid for. senz Apr 2016 #88

What's the precise number where a bank becomes too big to fail? mythology Apr 2016 #128

Comon sense tells us... Matt_R Apr 2016 #164

We are liberals, but we don't like Clinton. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #96

Good for you Protalker Apr 2016 #109

You will give us Cruz by pushing a candidate that you know 50% of Democrats and 99% of GoneFishin Apr 2016 #111

I am a Democrat not Green Party Protalker Apr 2016 #120

I dispute yoir figures apcalc Apr 2016 #151

Sorry, Charlie. The "We" are 70-80% of Bernie supporters Hortensis Apr 2016 #121

Your premise seems to be that Hillary is a Liberal, therefore.. 2banon Apr 2016 #136

Hillary's team does not need us Human101948 Apr 2016 #33

She does not need us Carolina Apr 2016 #165

+100 workinclasszero Apr 2016 #35

This treestar Apr 2016 #53

False? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #100

You Know... It's The "Character and Integrity" Thing! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #55

You prove the OP right realmirage Apr 2016 #62

Look, if you consider a video of your candidate speaking to be 'delegitimizing' them, Marr Apr 2016 #116

I don't see how anyone can watch this video Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #67

The anti-Hillary stuff is directed at Hillary. The anti-Sanders stuff is directed at voters. hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #99

A-FREAKING-MEN nt auntpurl Apr 2016 #133

Will you please answer the question? 2banon Apr 2016 #134

This is a political opinion board it is not real life. gordianot Apr 2016 #158

Your Vote is No More Valuable Than Any Other Democrats Vote Stallion Apr 2016 #2

If you want Sanders votes, you have an obligation to treat the Sanders movement with respect. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #7

The Arrogance is Somebody on Democratic Underground Threating to Not Support the Democratic Nominee Stallion Apr 2016 #13

You'll be voting for an inaccurate label. Have fun. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #15

98% of Democratic Officeholders are Supporting Clinton Across the Democratic Political Spectrum Stallion Apr 2016 #19

Perhaps I'm not a Democrat? You really shouldn't try to guess stuff...you're not very good at it. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #21

Then That Would Make You Not a Democrat Stallion Apr 2016 #25

That would. But that condition does not exist at this time. Ergo, you're wrong, sport-o. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #28

OK Ace Stallion Apr 2016 #32

'Sport-o'? What are you, 12? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #92

11 DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #94

Nobody is comparable to Nader this year. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #42

She bought them Read How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty jwirr Apr 2016 #46

R u kidding? Depaysement Apr 2016 #93

Nonsense-I'm in the Democratic Party That Actually Wins National Elections Stallion Apr 2016 #95

You're in the Corporate, Big Money Wing Depaysement Apr 2016 #97

FACT: The Sandanistas Haven't Won a General Election in YOUR Lifetime Stallion Apr 2016 #102

Actually Depaysement Apr 2016 #119

So what I'm getting from that is you won't fight, because they don't win. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #127

Been a Democrat since I voted for JFK. Into politics a long time jwirr Apr 2016 #43

It looks to me like Ken said he would be encouraging people to vote for Hillary Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #149

Give respect to get respect. Sorry, that's the way it is. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #16

We have given respect to the issues the HRC campaign said it prioritizes Ken Burch Apr 2016 #23

I've been trying for months to get both sides to knock off the attacks and smears, and few blm Apr 2016 #50

Movement? We'll see in the mid terms after Bernie loses redstateblues Apr 2016 #106

Jill Stein will also be on the ticket. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #101

That Would Make You a Supporter of the Green Party with Democratic Socialist Leanings Stallion Apr 2016 #103

How so? Matt_R Apr 2016 #166

What do Sanders supporters have to gain by depicting Hillary as evil incarnate? pnwmom Apr 2016 #124

I'm tired of the self-righteousness of many Bernie supporters. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #3

The real Democrats will vote for our nominee griffi94 Apr 2016 #10

you are demanding party loyalty, that is not the same as "being a democrat" to those of us hollysmom Apr 2016 #18

Belonging to the Democratic party griffi94 Apr 2016 #39

I certainly hope you are not accusing me of gnashing my teeth or throwing a tantrum hollysmom Apr 2016 #65

Your vote is your own griffi94 Apr 2016 #74

again, you are determining that tent should be smaller hollysmom Apr 2016 #75

+ 100 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #68

That's my take as well. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #66

You need a lot more votes than Democratic Party members' to become POTUS. TransitJohn Apr 2016 #76

Her policies are good enough that she's winning griffi94 Apr 2016 #77

"Far left" TransitJohn Apr 2016 #79

At the moment griffi94 Apr 2016 #83

Nice change of subject. TransitJohn Apr 2016 #84

What change of subject griffi94 Apr 2016 #87

It's not "self-righteousness" to have principles and defend them. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #12

Tempter tantrums are not principles and all I see are BS cheerleaders having temper tantrums n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #22

Not me at all. What I am trying to do is work for unity. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #27

You need to buy a clue Ken ... your OP is a temper tantrum n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #34

No it isn't...it is an appeal for HRC supporters to stop using destructive tactics. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #41

It's time you open your eyes Ken ... the BS cheerleaders have been treating SFnomad Apr 2016 #48

LULZ TransitJohn Apr 2016 #81

What crushing tactics. griffi94 Apr 2016 #58

R U serious? asuhornets Apr 2016 #69

The problem is y'all think every criticism of her is a right-wing talking point. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #104

Your words: asuhornets Apr 2016 #108

Your post title and signature line are an awesomely ironic juxtaposition. eom TransitJohn Apr 2016 #80

You bring up a good point. We should talk policy planks in order to determine what a DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #14

The "Sanders Movement" LOL.. boston bean Apr 2016 #4

I hate to speak for others Uponthegears Apr 2016 #5

Enemies is what they gain. I'm not sure what Hillary people think, but that's the actual answer. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #6

They're trying to depress turnout. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #8

Either learn to take it or stop dishing it out. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9

If your candidate was really superior, she could win on an exclusively positive campaign. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #17

Which candidate is running negative ads? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #40

I guess they assume that we will have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, but why they want their hollysmom Apr 2016 #11

"trying to convince people or her wonderance" - no chance of that, her "wonderance" is djean111 Apr 2016 #29

Yet another false dilemma. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #24

short answer- the nomination that's all they seem to focus on right now azurnoir Apr 2016 #30

They know most of us will not do the heavy lifting for her Depaysement Apr 2016 #31

Supporter bashing is wrong SHRED Apr 2016 #36

this is a lot like 08. Obama pulled it together, this is just part of the process realmirage Apr 2016 #44

Obama supporters NEVER treated HRC supporters Ken Burch Apr 2016 #57

Were you a hillary or obama supporter? realmirage Apr 2016 #59

Started as Kucinich, ended up Obama by default Ken Burch Apr 2016 #64

I remember what I am NOW and what makes me angry is posts like yours Marrah_G Apr 2016 #135

Good post! TransitJohn Apr 2016 #82

You lost 2 months ago nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #37

Just being assholes on the internet. tabasco Apr 2016 #38

They think that they can suppress turnout. If only a few democrats turn out, it is believed... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #45

Most of that could easily apply to Bernie Supporters. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #47

Not really. The 'bros weren't Bernie supporters. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #52

Seems like plenty of slugging to go around on both sides. nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #49

They think she will become president, they are wrong. nt Autumn Apr 2016 #51

To your point... SHRED Apr 2016 #54

It is very important to realize that those candidates at the Top do not need to "win" truedelphi Apr 2016 #56

Hear, Hear! pat_k Apr 2016 #61

What do Bernie supporters think they gain by trying to call Hillary supporters fans of corruption? CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #63

The same thing that Hillary supporters think they gain by calling us Bernie Bros. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #70

AMEN to this OP! and remember the urgency of CONTINUING the Bernie movement whatever happens cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #71

I can't get this link to work -- or even to print out the whole original URL cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #73

Kind of like delegitimizing primary wins RandySF Apr 2016 #78

Like their candidate, they don't care about anything or anyone. senz Apr 2016 #89

The hubris of HRC's supporters speaks volumes. Nedsdag Apr 2016 #90

Nobody owes you their support anigbrowl Apr 2016 #91

But one would guess you'd want Clinton to win the general if she gets the nomination. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #105

I do, but... anigbrowl Apr 2016 #110

Well then, you and I find ourselves on opposite sides. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #112

Not really anigbrowl Apr 2016 #113

I wasn't really having a dialogue with you. I was making a declarative statement. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #114

Your opinions are not facts anigbrowl Apr 2016 #115

I didn't claim my opinions are fact. Hillary's corruption and lies aren't my opinions though. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #118

Yes they are. I realize this may be hard for you to accept. nt anigbrowl Apr 2016 #139

An excuse for when they lose. Chan790 Apr 2016 #98

Delegitimize? Interesting choice of words. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #107

Some of them *WANT* Third Way leadership. They *WANT* corporate governance. w4rma Apr 2016 #117

Self-justification LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #122

There is no Sanders movement. arely staircase Apr 2016 #123

See, now, there's a perfect example of what the OP means. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #130

I am not being unkind. There is no Sanders move event. nt arely staircase Apr 2016 #132

I have been fighting the good fight since I handed out fliers against Goldwater Jim Lane Apr 2016 #140

Most of the people I know who are for Bernie marginalized themselves arely staircase Apr 2016 #144

Your personal experience is DEMONSTRABLY not representative. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #146

I would love to see a Venn Diagram of Bernie/Nader supporters (and a Kooch too) arely staircase Apr 2016 #159

You're missing the point. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #162

They cannot compete on ISSUES, and that is why they have continually had to resort to NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #125

They want progressives to drop out of the Democratic Party so the corporatists strengthen control. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #126

I'm not sure there is any thinking going on. malokvale77 Apr 2016 #129

They gain nothing, they will lose supporters in the general Marrah_G Apr 2016 #131

The point is, Clinton having more votes, has more of a movement. Right? seabeyond Apr 2016 #137

No, the point is that the nominee needs the help of the supporters of other candidates. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #143

No. Numbers work for me. Winner, loser. Bigger, smaller. seabeyond Apr 2016 #161

You've brilliantly refuted an argument I didn't make. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2016 #163

Don't try logic. nt arely staircase Apr 2016 #145

A loss. She can't win the general without at least 80% ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #141

Answer: "An easy path to power" /nt demwing Apr 2016 #147

Who's trying to "delegitimize" the Sanders movement? Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #148

Nobody. His side is just losing and they hate it. So now if you don't vote for BS, BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #150

IKR? Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #152

And that means both sides will have to make an EQUAL effort to reach out. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #157

Total nonsense. The Sanders supporters has treated us like garbage. We owe you nothing. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #153

Voting for the lesser of evils doesn't work - the lesser of evils is still evil. polichick Apr 2016 #154

I'm not even a "Sanders voter" per se.... vi5 Apr 2016 #155

HRC supporters express a certain authoritarian streak that i find quite disturbing. TimeToEvolve Apr 2016 #156

I dont care if its a Sanders or Clinton supporter. Eko Apr 2016 #160