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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:04 PM

15. Damn!


What we saw last night was almost exactly the same as the 2008 Clinton-Obama numbers! Indeed, it was peak Clinton in New York already back then! But unfortunately the challenger did no better. Turnout did not increase. (We will see where these big irregularity stories lead, one can't be confident given how consistently elections now go wrong in this country and how consistently nothing is done about it.)

The structural stability on the NY-Democratic side is amazing, I'll have to concede. We don't have a two-party system, we have two single-party systems that hold their own rules-rigged "elections" - and New York may be the worst of it.

These two primary systems determine the choices for everyone and are subsidized by taxes on everyone. There is no justifying a closed system impervious to ideological challenge, that actually has contempt for the outsiders. If New York had been an open, choose your party, same-day registration vote, or a theoretical combined primary, Sanders would have outpaced everyone. And many of you here are proud and thrilled that it's instead this closed, bureaucratic, undemocratic process that benefits career status-quo politicians (and in Albany produces legislatures literally run as single-man empires, even if the emperors sometimes get caught and fall).

The Republican single-party system is in breakdown, but the D's seem to have weathered it this year. I am calling the D's a strong party and that will be taken as praise by many here, but it's not meant that way. A strong nomenklatura (a party machine) that is less popular than ever.

The era since the Clinton ascendancy has been one long decline for the D's - in registered voters, governorships and statehouses, and Congress, in everything except the presidency (which happens despite the farcical nature of the process to involve the most democratic election, you should note). That is because the party no longer believably represents the principles that once made it popular. Organizationally a fortress is no guarantee of victory in November. And of course the party establishment has already conceded Congress until 2022, and made themselves quite comfortable with that idea, so there's even an element of playing to lose rather than allowing change.

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