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In reply to the discussion: What specific POLICY POSITIONS show Sec. Clinton to be "Not Liberal" or "Not a Democrat?" [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)156. If she doesn't think fracking is good, she should have said so from the beginning.
Fracking is harmful and dangerous if for no other reason than that it heightens the possibility of earthquakes.
Hillary is triangulating constantly, afraid to say what she means. If she opposes fracking she should have said so from the beginning loudly and clearly. We don't need a president who can't or is afraid to say what she means and mean what she says. Hillary's views on fracking are untrustworthy and unclear. Sorry, but that is so.
Especially in California, we should not allow fracking. I like our governor very much, but I disagree with his allowing fracking.
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What specific POLICY POSITIONS show Sec. Clinton to be "Not Liberal" or "Not a Democrat?" [View all]
Sparkly
Apr 2016
OP
Well then provide the link or name the bill. Because your statement right now is that
Squinch
Apr 2016
#276
So the best you can do to describe this bill that has turned you against Hillary is to say that
Squinch
Apr 2016
#334
Don't you know that we are now a full on Republican spin machine, and must always
Squinch
Apr 2016
#395
Her specific positions today evolved since Bernie's tutuledge. She is hawkish. See SNL...
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#34
No, that's triangulation...a third way given. Along with 'whatever it takes'..
haikugal
Apr 2016
#87
If president, Bernie will work to take marijuana off the list of controlled substances.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#128
If she doesn't think fracking is good, she should have said so from the beginning.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#156
If a candidate doesnt initially support a position and then changes their mind or
puffy socks
Apr 2016
#172
The CFMA was in a budget resolution. It was snuck in by Phil Gramm and one of Hillary's advisors
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#184
Strange you should trust Elizabeth Warren, she both agrees with Hillary's Wall Street plan and was a
puffy socks
Apr 2016
#188
It depends. Rational thought is important, but gut feelings can be very right.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#365
The WTO-GATS trade deal Bill signed in 1995 hijacked the entire worlds public services, health care
Baobab
Apr 2016
#208
Her much vaunted health care plan was a diversion from the truth which was that they were underminin
Baobab
Apr 2016
#207
Changing the scheduling from I to II still leaves both recreational AND medical cannabis illegal at
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2016
#246
Kissinger is a big, big problem for me. I had to read his first book in college and that course
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#153
Made me shudder. The Clintons have pulled the wool over the eyes of too many Democrats.
Zen Democrat
Apr 2016
#290
Shhhhh, don't let them know that people of different political leanings can actually be very fond
all american girl
Apr 2016
#417
Are any of them named George Bush? If not, none of my comment applies to you.
Zen Democrat
Apr 2016
#479
War, fracking, the TPP, student debt, cluster bombs, means-testing Social Security,
djean111
Apr 2016
#3
Fracking is terrible for the environment, sure frackers are supporting it
All in it together
Apr 2016
#44
"... he thinks carefully about what we commit our military men and women to doing."
puffy socks
Apr 2016
#160
Hillary was wrong to trust Bush. She just does not have the good judgment Bernie has.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#171
I agree with Bernie's votes on aid to Israel and Egypt and to go to war in Yugoslavia and Somalia.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#187
Bernie voted for the 98 Iraq bill that called for toppling Hussein's govt.
puffy socks
Apr 2016
#451
Bernie Sanders voted in favor of giving George Bush unilateral war powers following 9/11
Loki
Apr 2016
#185
I agree with the invasion of Afghanistan assuming we were told the truth, and that is where Al Qaeda
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#190
He was voting to fund the troops. He stands by our troops. He is not a pacifist.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#374
It isn't judgement so much as a coherent political philosophy when it comes to international
Ed Suspicious
Apr 2016
#363
And Bernie did not make that mistake because he bothered to read the documents on which
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#366
Hillary gave this vote to GWB and gave him the awesome responsibility, great idea.
All in it together
Apr 2016
#275
And of course, like Obama (and I do like him), Hillary will appoint representatives from the very
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#161
You know, I thought we all didn't like him. I'm not one who wants someone to die,
all american girl
Apr 2016
#419
But if Hillary makes SS into a means tested program which is what she said,
All in it together
Apr 2016
#46
You dont get it- If GATS or the WTO says something is the way it is, THATS THE WAY IT IS
Baobab
Apr 2016
#213
"HRC is a compulsive liar" -- this is rightwing rhetoric. Let's stay on point, please.
Sparkly
Apr 2016
#224
Cite seer is a archive site funded by the NSF, the article is in the International journal of health
Baobab
Apr 2016
#270
So all that boils down to the fact that you can NOT show anywhere where she said that.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#273
Do you mean in 1994, while they were signing away our public services including healthcare forever?
Baobab
Apr 2016
#281
How about Bill Clinton signing a WTO deal that led to the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the subsequ
Baobab
Apr 2016
#287
I didnt say that, but read up on GATS Article I:3 (b) and (c) it will explain a LOT about why I hav
Baobab
Apr 2016
#300
No, dear. It is you who are confused. Which apparently makes you quite pissy and obnoxious.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#317
Oh, for fuck's sake. So raising the lowest threshholds of SS to benefit the poorest elderly is a
Squinch
Apr 2016
#467
It's not me, it's Sparkly doing the heavy work here. But I am beginning to see that there are
Squinch
Apr 2016
#408
Nah. Given your drivel response about means testing, I don't think it's worth my effort.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#468
Yes, we looked at issues, words, and actual deeds, and made up our own minds.
djean111
Apr 2016
#414
Hillary has not "said" half the things you guys think she has said. But clearly you will not be
Squinch
Apr 2016
#401
Well, you are giving us generalities about "why" - we'll go with the original: Bernie.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#36
Her plan on student debt, as now, will require a huge bureaucracy and a lot of financial forms that
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#192
See above means testing a program (SS) becomes let's do welfare reform again.
All in it together
Apr 2016
#57
So basically, you are going to demonize her whether she agrees with you or not.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#412
I was joking. I doubt there's many, if any paid hacks posting in this forum...
jack_krass
Apr 2016
#75
So sorry, I keep seeing about paid posters, but I think you are right about here.
all american girl
Apr 2016
#91
I lived in Europe for years and enjoyed several of their single-payer, universal healthcare
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#196
I've seen people who are against her suggesting that, but I have never seen any credible source
Squinch
Apr 2016
#142
I've never heard this from her. Or anything like this. And I can't imagine PP would be backing her
Squinch
Apr 2016
#159
PP is all that stood between me and disaster many times. And that is true for millions of women.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#416
Of all the things that are thrown around in this election, that is the ONE that makes me feel rage.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#420
Rest assured. I feel great malice toward those who are making it harder for PP to raise the money
Squinch
Apr 2016
#423
Everyone is using lots of angry words, but no one is providing any links that show that Hillary
Squinch
Apr 2016
#278
Oh, just admit that she never moved to restrict abortion rights in any way. She has been completely
Squinch
Apr 2016
#353
Now you are being ridiculous. She is trying to expand abortion rights, and somehow that
Squinch
Apr 2016
#390
I've already shown that what she said in that interview was that she wants to extend abortion rights
Squinch
Apr 2016
#435
I would suggest you look at post #332. Squinch does a very good job.
all american girl
Apr 2016
#424
Hillary's history is one of absolutely consistent and strong support for women's rights, including
Squinch
Apr 2016
#448
and the states that have legalized mj have drops in the opiate deaths
questionseverything
Apr 2016
#60
history tells us the clintons practically invented the for profit prison industry
questionseverything
Apr 2016
#81
Yes, and also a win/win for the pharmaceutical industry that hc gets $ from.
All in it together
Apr 2016
#69
yes the pharms would like nothing better than to take a weed anyone can grow
questionseverything
Apr 2016
#86
I'm not versed in her position on recreational marijuana. I know she is supportive of medical
Squinch
Apr 2016
#150
That's all we do here. How do you miss it? This says a lot about the bubble you're in.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Apr 2016
#21
In her recent past, she was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress
redstateblues
Apr 2016
#322
God forbid we look back at anything not present tense, how about future tense?
All in it together
Apr 2016
#79
I wouldn't vote for GWB because of what happened during his presidency in addition to the
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#202
But the principle that when you hire someone, you ask for a resume and you look to see
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#369
You are saying that the Clintons didn't pull the party to the right?
All in it together
Apr 2016
#306
I see you are ignoring the majority of content of a very substantive post.
Arugula Latte
Apr 2016
#183
It's really hard for a Hillary supporter to have to deal with the fact that we who support
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#211
If the states are to truly legalize marijuana, it needs to be taken off the controlled substance
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#220
Some of the biggest problems with pot legalization are banking and taxation.
Eric J in MN
Apr 2016
#304
Not close at all. Just like plenty of HRC proposals aren't close at all to becoming law.
Eric J in MN
Apr 2016
#309
Bernie wants to take marijuana off the controlled substances list. Is she willing to do that.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#212
But until marijuana is off the list of controlled substances, the federal government can enforce
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#260
Well my state is run by the Republicans, and if you buy MJ in one state you can't take it across
All in it together
Apr 2016
#310
bankruptcy bill, iraq war, minimum wage, kissinger, dlc affiliation, lgbt, crimebill, healthcare...
leeroysphitz
Apr 2016
#33
Hatred. Opposition is now hatred? I mean even STAUNCH opposition shouldn't be labeled
leeroysphitz
Apr 2016
#82
That's politics. People don't just vote on ideas. They also vote for a person.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#217
You say you want reasonable discussion and then add "the hatred of HRC is irrational"
Armstead
Apr 2016
#189
One of the issues on which I strongly disagree with Hillary is the NSA surveillance.
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#214
Her view that Edward Snowden should face serious penalties for having revealed the program
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#372
The problem is that Bernie is free to make all sorts of wild ass promises of stuff
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#37
"that can never happen..." These people are done with status quo. So is Bernie.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#43
Actually I support Bernie, fully aware that he has no chance of ever being able to fulfill any
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#50
So they and you are supporting someone who can't get anything done? Are you paid to post?
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#119
What is this paid to post shit? I've here for 13+ years for better or worse
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#135
It makes no sense to keep repeating "he can't do it" and then say you are a supporter.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#145
Everything he proposes I'm all for and support. However turning these
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#151
I agree. And it will be hard and he knows it and he says it. No pie in the sky. He's been around.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#157
Read his book, Outsider in the White House, and you will learn how he will accomplish
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#219
You probably are. He works well with other people, and the proof that he has accomplished
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#370
Yet only ONE (1) of his Senate colleagues think enough of Bernie to endorse him.
NurseJackie
Apr 2016
#54
They endorsed early. Just like Obama SD can change. You should know that. Were you here in 2008?
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#137
That is nonsense. She provided a service as a keynote speaker and was paid for it. She also worked
Lucinda
Apr 2016
#197
This OP isn't listening. Responds with current talking points. Bernie was original.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#40
Chamber of Commerce believe Clinton will be "currently" in favor of TPP after elected
Arizona Roadrunner
Apr 2016
#51
It's been up here for a day and they have no answers. What else is new? . . . . . . .
pdsimdars
Apr 2016
#460
Thanks for the non-answer. Typical. You asked Sanders' supporters and you got long lists.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#355
It isn't so much what she claims her policies will be but the fact that, based on the bills signed
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#111
Yes. That is pretty obvious, and I think the focus group leader has recognized that
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#221
Only the stuff she started saying since she lost in 2008 and the Draft Warren movement scared her?
merrily
Apr 2016
#146
Keep your head buried. Chamber of Commerce says she will be for it again after election
onecaliberal
Apr 2016
#344
I'd say the PATRIOT act and issues of freedom of speech like encryption they're polar opposites.
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#155
You'll read. Bernie says differences. He's right. You don't want to hear them.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#167
"the dems thanks to the DLC are now in a position where Republicans used to be"
Sparkly
Apr 2016
#241
When people say they won't vote for Hillary because she voted for the IWR, and then I ask them
Squinch
Apr 2016
#436
Her stated policies are more or less ok. But who believes what she states?
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2016
#327
Your framing is wrong, but if we accept your terms, you're referring to a small minority.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2016
#359
Doesn't she realize there's a revolution on? How dare she get all those people to vote for her!
Squinch
Apr 2016
#354
...War she was LIED to by of all people Colin Powell. BERNIE KNEW...he checks, she gives speeches.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#473
So whether she agrees with you or not, it doesn't matter. Nothing she does will be good enough.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#425
True for me. I didn't vote Clinton in 96 and I won't vote HRC 2016. Write in Bernie.
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#455
So, that means that your opinions are completely irrelevant with respect to the general election.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#465
There is plenty she can do to win my support. But paying lipservice to something she will abandon at
Betty Karlson
Apr 2016
#457
Not arrogance, just realism. The primary is over. Your candidate is now out of the race.
Squinch
Apr 2016
#475
Yes, it is arrogant to declare the race over when neither candidate has as yet secured a majority.
Betty Karlson
Apr 2016
#477
Iraq War Vote - TPP - Wall Street Campaign Donations - Clinton Foundation Fraud - Nuff Said
cantbeserious
Apr 2016
#407
Corp influence on Hillary.US companies sell tobacco/fracking abroad. And she cares about children?
snowy owl
Apr 2016
#456
The fact of the matter is we don't know how Hillary will govern. I suspect we'll find out.
YOHABLO
Apr 2016
#453