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In reply to the discussion: I Refuse to Believe that the Majority of Americans Want to Do Away With Medicare [View all]BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)14. Yes. He said it in the second debate and Obama didn't challenge it at all.
He put it in his usual double-talk, saying that for people under 56, we'll give then an "option" that is necessary in order to "save Medicare for future generations".
That is why Obama had to challenge him because his plan is clearly to kill it, but he is hiding behind double-talk.
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Correction it was in the first debate. See the full transcript here
http://www.scribd.com/doc/109296847/2012-Presidential-Debate-Transcript
Well, Jim, our seniors depend on these programs, and I know anytime we talk about entitlements,people become concerned that something's going to happen that's going to change their life for the worse.21 / 46
And the answer is neither the president nor I are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees,either to Social Security or Medicare. So if you're 60 or around 60 or older, you don't need to listen any further.But for younger people, we need to talk about what changes are going to be occurring.
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for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice.They get to choose -- and they'll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. So they don't have to pay additional money, no additional $6,000. That's not going to happen. They'll have at least two plans.
And by the way, if the government can be as efficient as the private sector and offer premiums that areas low as the private sector, people will be happy to get traditional Medicare or they'll be able to get a private plan.I know my own view is I'd rather have a private plan. I'd just assume not have the government telling me what kind of health care I get. I'd rather be able to have an insurance company. If I don't like them, I can get rid of them and find a different insurance company. But people make their own choice.24 / 46
The other thing we have to do to save Medicare? We have to have the benefits high for those that are low income,but for higher income people, we're going to have to lower some of the benefits. We have to make sure this program is there for the long term. That's the plan that I've put forward.And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or -- or Senator Wyden, who's the co-author of the bill with-- with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill -- Bill Clinton's chief of staff. This is an idea that's been around a long time, which is saying, hey, let's see if we can't get competition into the Medicare world so that people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better quality. I believe in competition
And on Romney's website
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/medicare
Medicare is reformed as a premium support system, meaning that existing spending is repackaged as a fixed-amount benefit to each senior that he or she can use to purchase an insurance plan
And the Republican platform goes into considerable detail explaining how they plan to kill Medicare. See this article
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/republican-party-platform-medicare.php
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I Refuse to Believe that the Majority of Americans Want to Do Away With Medicare [View all]
McCamy Taylor
Oct 2012
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My daughter-in-laws grandparents are on medicare. They are voting for Romney because
southernyankeebelle
Oct 2012
#6
People with attitudes such as theirs, for whatever their reason, are holding this nation
RKP5637
Oct 2012
#9
Thanks you are speaking for me also. You can't change stupid no matter how hard you try.
southernyankeebelle
Oct 2012
#16
That is excellent!!! Ron White has a good skit on Stupid, yep, you just can't fix stupid. n/t
RKP5637
Oct 2012
#21
Really true. I am at the point I don't even try to talk to them because they believe facts
southernyankeebelle
Oct 2012
#22
The Obama campaign barely mentioned it. This is IB+MHO the biggest ***-up in this campaign
BlueStreak
Oct 2012
#5
Wording a question differently can get as much as a 50+ point shift in public opinion
ShadowLiberal
Oct 2012
#15