2016 Postmortem

firebrand80

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1. They went to Obama because he was winning PDs

Reply to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:18 PM

Apr 2016

So that argument doesn't help Bernie

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Hillary can't win the nomination before the convention [View all] TheDormouse Apr 2016 OP

They went to Obama because he was winning PDs firebrand80 Apr 2016 #1

Wow, you're a fast reader TheDormouse Apr 2016 #2

You're an astute point-dodger nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #3

we are going to the convention... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #51

+1. silvershadow Apr 2016 #54

Seats on the DNC are extremely important to the Progressive Revolution. JimDandy Apr 2016 #55

We understand how it works Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #62

and that is exactly what they will do this time. The SD will go to the candidate with the most still_one Apr 2016 #82

if they do, they still can't do that until the end of July TheDormouse Apr 2016 #83

Ok still_one Apr 2016 #88

The superdelegates griffi94 Apr 2016 #4

The superdelegates cannot vote until the end of July TheDormouse Apr 2016 #5

And at the end of july they vote for who has the most pledged delegates griffi94 Apr 2016 #6

Maybe, maybe not. If it was that straightfoward, why are there superdelegates in the TheDormouse Apr 2016 #7

To give the party some measure of control griffi94 Apr 2016 #11

There will be no Hillary blowout after CA and OR get to vote for Bernie. JimDandy Apr 2016 #56

No you're incorrect griffi94 Apr 2016 #57

Tad Devine made the first statement and Bernie Sanders said he had no idea what Tad meant by that Samantha Apr 2016 #91

You live in lala land. Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #64

What in the world makes you thing Sanders will win in such a diverse state as California? brush Apr 2016 #86

So that there's not another McGovern. He lost 49 of 50 states in the general election brush Apr 2016 #84

did McGovern have the most pledged delegates? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #89

He did, but California at the time was winner take all and that push him over the top. brush Apr 2016 #90

They announce their Votes Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #63

You posted a lot of information that's a little premature Dem2 Apr 2016 #8

In the most literal sense, no one can win the nomination before the convention. tritsofme Apr 2016 #9

Except TheDormouse Apr 2016 #10

And pledged delegates could be unfaithful, not show up, etc. tritsofme Apr 2016 #12

They're not going to change their minds. Codeine Apr 2016 #23

just like back in 2008, right? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #27

They switched to back the winner. Codeine Apr 2016 #29

Glad you agree that the will of the people should not be overturned JimDandy Apr 2016 #58

You spent a lot of time on something that would have taken only one sentence to explain. Beacool Apr 2016 #13

Don't miss the forest for the trees. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #15

Yes, you're correct, super delegates don't vote until the convention. Beacool Apr 2016 #22

We've seen plenty of "inevitable" candidates go down in defeat. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #24

Sigh......... Beacool Apr 2016 #61

Pledged delegates don't vote until the convention either. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #31

I don't quite understand this. sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #16

If the pledged delegate count was razor thin and one candidate was far ahead in the popular vote, Beacool Apr 2016 #19

Take your pick. Hillary leads big in both. tritsofme Apr 2016 #20

see post #32 TheDormouse Apr 2016 #36

The nice thing is that Clinton Camp super confident dismissals of the point you are making bjo59 Apr 2016 #14

They're trying to demoralize potential Sanders supporters TheDormouse Apr 2016 #17

yes grasswire Apr 2016 #38

we should know something in May pdsimdars Apr 2016 #87

I know. I was thinking of adding in something about that, but thought you'd made it obvious. bjo59 Apr 2016 #53

Neither does the fervent hope that super delegates will overturn the voters mythology Apr 2016 #50

So we're back to comparing this to 2008 Sheepshank Apr 2016 #18

Hillary has already won the nomination... SidDithers Apr 2016 #21

Exactly. This shit's been over since Super Tuesday. Codeine Apr 2016 #25

Absolutely NOT true and you know it. Neither Sanders nor Clinton have enough delegates yet JimDandy Apr 2016 #60

Hillary lost super delegates in 2008 because she lost pledged delegates. Zynx Apr 2016 #26

Demoralization is a tool of evil. senz Apr 2016 #28

No Senz. It's called an intervention. We're concerned. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #40

Yeh, concerned about Hillary's chances! senz Apr 2016 #44

Several math mistakes made. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30

The math does not like sanders.. How do we sue math? beachbum bob Apr 2016 #33

Ask the Republicans. They have been trying and failing. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #34

Where in all of that does Clinton reach 2,383 WITHOUT superdelegate votes? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #35

The rules state: LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #46

Reminder: Hillary leads by 235--but 1,400 still available. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #32

Meaning Sanders would need to win nearly 60% of those 1400. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #73

"She would still fall short by 418 - 377 = 41 pledged delegates." Keep on keeping on! senz Apr 2016 #37

"Stand up! Keep fighting!" grasswire Apr 2016 #41

There are plenty of supers Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #65

It is easier to look at these things in retrospect. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #39

LOLOL nt grasswire Apr 2016 #42

K&R good guys! Keep this up there! senz Apr 2016 #43

the nominee will be selected on Tuesday. The rest is just wishful thinking. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #45

At this point, it seems like the FBI is the biggest superdelegate of all Califonz Apr 2016 #47

There are still so many openings for a June surprise artislife Apr 2016 #48

only in Bernieland math will she not have enough. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #49

Whatsa matter? Don't like this kind of math? Can't stand waiting? Can't stand the thought that highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #52

I'm afraid that the Democratic Party Time for change Apr 2016 #59

She doesn't have to, for goodness' sake. MineralMan Apr 2016 #66

kick for George II's edification TheDormouse Apr 2016 #67

Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole Gothmog Apr 2016 #68

That's what I've been saying but hard core Hillary supporters just refuse to believe the facts. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #69

They're so DESPERATE for Bernie to surrender... Ain't happening Camp Weathervaners... AzDar Apr 2016 #70

If you truely believe that BS - take as much money as you can... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #71

^ completely misses the point of the post TheDormouse Apr 2016 #72

In other news, water is wet. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #74

Again, if Hillary can reach 2,383 before the convention from pledged TheDormouse Apr 2016 #75

Again, if it's 2175 to 1876 or thereabouts, getting to 2383 is a mere formality. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #77

The pledged delegate runner-up in 2016 will concede about when the runner-up conceded in 2008. LonePirate Apr 2016 #76

Why do you think so? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #78

Because both candidates understand the importance of unity at the convention. LonePirate Apr 2016 #81

your first point is wrong in it's premis...can't be bothered reading the rest Sheepshank Apr 2016 #79

K&R B Calm Apr 2016 #80

I knew this but not in such detail. . . Thanks. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #85