2016 Postmortem

DemocratSinceBirth

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39. It is easier to look at these things in retrospect.

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:40 PM

Apr 2016

There will come at a time when historians will look back and say the race was effectively over after Super Tuesday just as historians say the Civil War was effectively over after the Battle Of Gettysburg when the Army of the Potomac forced the Confederates to retreat.

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Hillary can't win the nomination before the convention [View all] TheDormouse Apr 2016 OP

They went to Obama because he was winning PDs firebrand80 Apr 2016 #1

Wow, you're a fast reader TheDormouse Apr 2016 #2

You're an astute point-dodger nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #3

we are going to the convention... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #51

+1. silvershadow Apr 2016 #54

Seats on the DNC are extremely important to the Progressive Revolution. JimDandy Apr 2016 #55

We understand how it works Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #62

and that is exactly what they will do this time. The SD will go to the candidate with the most still_one Apr 2016 #82

if they do, they still can't do that until the end of July TheDormouse Apr 2016 #83

Ok still_one Apr 2016 #88

The superdelegates griffi94 Apr 2016 #4

The superdelegates cannot vote until the end of July TheDormouse Apr 2016 #5

And at the end of july they vote for who has the most pledged delegates griffi94 Apr 2016 #6

Maybe, maybe not. If it was that straightfoward, why are there superdelegates in the TheDormouse Apr 2016 #7

To give the party some measure of control griffi94 Apr 2016 #11

There will be no Hillary blowout after CA and OR get to vote for Bernie. JimDandy Apr 2016 #56

No you're incorrect griffi94 Apr 2016 #57

Tad Devine made the first statement and Bernie Sanders said he had no idea what Tad meant by that Samantha Apr 2016 #91

You live in lala land. Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #64

What in the world makes you thing Sanders will win in such a diverse state as California? brush Apr 2016 #86

So that there's not another McGovern. He lost 49 of 50 states in the general election brush Apr 2016 #84

did McGovern have the most pledged delegates? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #89

He did, but California at the time was winner take all and that push him over the top. brush Apr 2016 #90

They announce their Votes Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #63

You posted a lot of information that's a little premature Dem2 Apr 2016 #8

In the most literal sense, no one can win the nomination before the convention. tritsofme Apr 2016 #9

Except TheDormouse Apr 2016 #10

And pledged delegates could be unfaithful, not show up, etc. tritsofme Apr 2016 #12

They're not going to change their minds. Codeine Apr 2016 #23

just like back in 2008, right? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #27

They switched to back the winner. Codeine Apr 2016 #29

Glad you agree that the will of the people should not be overturned JimDandy Apr 2016 #58

You spent a lot of time on something that would have taken only one sentence to explain. Beacool Apr 2016 #13

Don't miss the forest for the trees. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #15

Yes, you're correct, super delegates don't vote until the convention. Beacool Apr 2016 #22

We've seen plenty of "inevitable" candidates go down in defeat. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #24

Sigh......... Beacool Apr 2016 #61

Pledged delegates don't vote until the convention either. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #31

I don't quite understand this. sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #16

If the pledged delegate count was razor thin and one candidate was far ahead in the popular vote, Beacool Apr 2016 #19

Take your pick. Hillary leads big in both. tritsofme Apr 2016 #20

see post #32 TheDormouse Apr 2016 #36

The nice thing is that Clinton Camp super confident dismissals of the point you are making bjo59 Apr 2016 #14

They're trying to demoralize potential Sanders supporters TheDormouse Apr 2016 #17

yes grasswire Apr 2016 #38

we should know something in May pdsimdars Apr 2016 #87

I know. I was thinking of adding in something about that, but thought you'd made it obvious. bjo59 Apr 2016 #53

Neither does the fervent hope that super delegates will overturn the voters mythology Apr 2016 #50

So we're back to comparing this to 2008 Sheepshank Apr 2016 #18

Hillary has already won the nomination... SidDithers Apr 2016 #21

Exactly. This shit's been over since Super Tuesday. Codeine Apr 2016 #25

Absolutely NOT true and you know it. Neither Sanders nor Clinton have enough delegates yet JimDandy Apr 2016 #60

Hillary lost super delegates in 2008 because she lost pledged delegates. Zynx Apr 2016 #26

Demoralization is a tool of evil. senz Apr 2016 #28

No Senz. It's called an intervention. We're concerned. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #40

Yeh, concerned about Hillary's chances! senz Apr 2016 #44

Several math mistakes made. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30

The math does not like sanders.. How do we sue math? beachbum bob Apr 2016 #33

Ask the Republicans. They have been trying and failing. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #34

Where in all of that does Clinton reach 2,383 WITHOUT superdelegate votes? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #35

The rules state: LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #46

Reminder: Hillary leads by 235--but 1,400 still available. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #32

Meaning Sanders would need to win nearly 60% of those 1400. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #73

"She would still fall short by 418 - 377 = 41 pledged delegates." Keep on keeping on! senz Apr 2016 #37

"Stand up! Keep fighting!" grasswire Apr 2016 #41

There are plenty of supers Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #65

It is easier to look at these things in retrospect. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #39

LOLOL nt grasswire Apr 2016 #42

K&R good guys! Keep this up there! senz Apr 2016 #43

the nominee will be selected on Tuesday. The rest is just wishful thinking. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #45

At this point, it seems like the FBI is the biggest superdelegate of all Califonz Apr 2016 #47

There are still so many openings for a June surprise artislife Apr 2016 #48

only in Bernieland math will she not have enough. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #49

Whatsa matter? Don't like this kind of math? Can't stand waiting? Can't stand the thought that highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #52

I'm afraid that the Democratic Party Time for change Apr 2016 #59

She doesn't have to, for goodness' sake. MineralMan Apr 2016 #66

kick for George II's edification TheDormouse Apr 2016 #67

Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole Gothmog Apr 2016 #68

That's what I've been saying but hard core Hillary supporters just refuse to believe the facts. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #69

They're so DESPERATE for Bernie to surrender... Ain't happening Camp Weathervaners... AzDar Apr 2016 #70

If you truely believe that BS - take as much money as you can... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #71

^ completely misses the point of the post TheDormouse Apr 2016 #72

In other news, water is wet. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #74

Again, if Hillary can reach 2,383 before the convention from pledged TheDormouse Apr 2016 #75

Again, if it's 2175 to 1876 or thereabouts, getting to 2383 is a mere formality. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #77

The pledged delegate runner-up in 2016 will concede about when the runner-up conceded in 2008. LonePirate Apr 2016 #76

Why do you think so? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #78

Because both candidates understand the importance of unity at the convention. LonePirate Apr 2016 #81

your first point is wrong in it's premis...can't be bothered reading the rest Sheepshank Apr 2016 #79

K&R B Calm Apr 2016 #80

I knew this but not in such detail. . . Thanks. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #85