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snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
14. "working class democrats" - yes. Closed priomaries. Independents - open primaries, Bernie.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:18 AM
Apr 2016

If you read the story, my point really is that little by little, the top 20% are becoming the voters who are the deciders. Fewer working class are joining the party and many more have become independents. The numbers you are using are skewed and not representative anymore of the classes. My point is really that people are feeling disenfranchised and betrayed and are voting less. My point is that independents make up a large sector of unrepresented voters. My point esp. is that we are losing our democracy to the top two tiers - not the 1% but the 20% who are still voting although in fewer numbers than they used to as well.

I'm extrapolating that it was Bernie who brought out the vote whether it was by finally representing those independents and poor and middle class that had stopped voting or whether it was as a response to Hillary's possible failure to win the nomination. I don't know which. I'm also responding to the articulation that financially speaking that twenty percent isn't interested in helping the rest of us. They are for social justice but not necessarily for parting with their wealth to do so. That's where Bernie enters the picture for me. Clinton will attract and does those voters and they will have influence on her policies.

I think I'm processing this, too. My reasoning for putting this out there was more informative than to influence for either side but definitely to show that Bernie's attempt to bring our democracy back to the people (and not the top 20%) was his target. What we used to call the top 1% is now the top 20% in terms of its influence. That does not bode well for middle class Americans.

Finally, I'm not sure the poor and diverse necessarily understand the ramifications of all this. That's not condescension, that just reality. If they are less engaged, they are less informed. So what finally attracts them to a particular candidate?

For me, it's not only economics, not by a long shot. merrily Apr 2016 #1
There, there ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #2
Bernie's revolution is ongoing. The dissolution of our democracy is relevant. snowy owl Apr 2016 #3
Losers don't get to make demands. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #5
May be your opinion but doesn't make it mine or anybody elses. snowy owl Apr 2016 #7
That doesn't mean he gets to "make demands". NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #9
We do...his supporters. We hold the votes she needs, not Sanders JimDandy Apr 2016 #10
Once again, I'm reminded I'm part of the 1%. RandySF Apr 2016 #4
Well, all of us HRCers ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #6
Another intellectual response. So typical. You didn't read it, did you? snowy owl Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #11
Well, this is about who votes. Among those voting, she has done well. snowy owl Apr 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #13
"working class democrats" - yes. Closed priomaries. Independents - open primaries, Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #15
This is a change election. Status quo candidates are being challenged on both sides. snowy owl Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #23
Um, Clinton also won a BUNCH of open primary states. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16
But several with close results. Is it significant to win by a few points? Not denying she won but... snowy owl Apr 2016 #18
But she still won them. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #19
If by "several" you mean 2 out of 10, yes. onenote Apr 2016 #21
There have been 13 fully open primaries. Clinton won 10. onenote Apr 2016 #20
Yep it's defensiveness loyalsister Apr 2016 #22
Cool article, except for the fact its Hillary winning among low income voters. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #24
I love Bernie but Hillary's support comes from women, African Americans and Hispanics, not exactly pampango Apr 2016 #25
Sanders does not do well with people over 45.... beachbum bob Apr 2016 #26
Or perhaps you're simply unable to see the vision...burned out as they say. snowy owl Apr 2016 #29
Premise of article is the top 20% care less about the bottom than they used to and snowy owl Apr 2016 #27
Yes, it's class heierarchy . . . i.e. it's Republican pdsimdars Apr 2016 #28
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