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snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
17. This is a change election. Status quo candidates are being challenged on both sides.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:09 AM
Apr 2016

Aside from this year, the numbers show dwindling voter turnouts. Northern elites tend to be democratic but not necessarily southern elites. The increase in independents has been shown to be a matter of not having a candidate to vote for because they are coming out for Bernie. I see his voters as having been apathetic before his candidacy. Which may partially explain the higher turnouts.

Obama's appeal was message and race. I hope you don't think me offensive when I say that. I think - know because I hear it from friends in large numbers - Clinton has a good number of gender votes. I voted for Obama on his rhetoric which proved to not hold up. So I voted Stein in 2012. Didn't impact him but made me feel better. I come from working class all of whom are democrats as are most of our social group. I moved further left than any but I"m also more educated.

You have targeted a weakness in my thinking because I haven't nailed exactly how to turn what I'm feeling into words and a concise articulated message. Nevertheless, the article speaks to me emotionally and now I have to try to clarify and articulate whatever the hell it is that conflates with my feelings about Bernie and his campaign.

So, not to pursue it further, I appreciate the discussion anyway. Sometimes I post too fast when I'm emotionally connecting with information but before I've had time to really understand it. Sorry.



For me, it's not only economics, not by a long shot. merrily Apr 2016 #1
There, there ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #2
Bernie's revolution is ongoing. The dissolution of our democracy is relevant. snowy owl Apr 2016 #3
Losers don't get to make demands. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #5
May be your opinion but doesn't make it mine or anybody elses. snowy owl Apr 2016 #7
That doesn't mean he gets to "make demands". NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #9
We do...his supporters. We hold the votes she needs, not Sanders JimDandy Apr 2016 #10
Once again, I'm reminded I'm part of the 1%. RandySF Apr 2016 #4
Well, all of us HRCers ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #6
Another intellectual response. So typical. You didn't read it, did you? snowy owl Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #11
Well, this is about who votes. Among those voting, she has done well. snowy owl Apr 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #13
"working class democrats" - yes. Closed priomaries. Independents - open primaries, Bernie. snowy owl Apr 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #15
This is a change election. Status quo candidates are being challenged on both sides. snowy owl Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #23
Um, Clinton also won a BUNCH of open primary states. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16
But several with close results. Is it significant to win by a few points? Not denying she won but... snowy owl Apr 2016 #18
But she still won them. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #19
If by "several" you mean 2 out of 10, yes. onenote Apr 2016 #21
There have been 13 fully open primaries. Clinton won 10. onenote Apr 2016 #20
Yep it's defensiveness loyalsister Apr 2016 #22
Cool article, except for the fact its Hillary winning among low income voters. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #24
I love Bernie but Hillary's support comes from women, African Americans and Hispanics, not exactly pampango Apr 2016 #25
Sanders does not do well with people over 45.... beachbum bob Apr 2016 #26
Or perhaps you're simply unable to see the vision...burned out as they say. snowy owl Apr 2016 #29
Premise of article is the top 20% care less about the bottom than they used to and snowy owl Apr 2016 #27
Yes, it's class heierarchy . . . i.e. it's Republican pdsimdars Apr 2016 #28
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