2016 Postmortem

jcgoldie

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41. These are good points

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:02 PM

Apr 2016

But I remember the hope of some sort of political revolution under Obama. I'm still a huge fan but he hit a brick wall. I think Hillary is more of a pragmatist. Morally corrupt? Well they are all politicians and Sanders is one too so I'll pass on the sainthood that many of his supporters seems to see in him. Does he have better morals than her? I don't know since I don't know either of them personally and I don't really give a damn. All that matters is what they can do.

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538: Hillary Clinton was liberal. Hillary Clinton is liberal. [View all] pnwmom Apr 2016 OP

Yep. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #1

So misleading kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #2

Clinton was out in front of health care long before Sanders or most all of his supporters. seabeyond Apr 2016 #4

Really? kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #8

Yes, I have listened to Clinton reasoning. seabeyond Apr 2016 #33

Really? Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #12

Are you really comparing Clinton's work put into that to Sanders standing behind in support? Lol. seabeyond Apr 2016 #34

Ummm, you read the part in HRC's handwriting where she thanks Sanders for his Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #47

Yes. Clinton is generous and gracious. Clinton did months of work. Sanders stood behind her and seabeyond Apr 2016 #54

When you refuse reality, we have nothing left to discuss Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #59

Realty, Clinton worked months upon months on the bill. Sanders stood behind her and supported the seabeyond Apr 2016 #61

Again, no Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #71

Again. Clinton did the work for months and months. Sanders supported it. seabeyond Apr 2016 #74

1990 Clip of Sanders on Healthcare kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #13

Hillary put herself out there and tried to do something about health riversedge Apr 2016 #29

They equate standing behind Clinton while she did all the work, as Sanders work. seabeyond Apr 2016 #37

The only reason she took on Healthcare was to pad her resume kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #39

Hillary IS A CARD CARRYING CORPORATIST! Look Up The Definition... Same As Mussolini! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #40

And it is stupid statements like this that have people like me, merely retort with... Clinton kicked seabeyond Apr 2016 #42

Just because she won doesnt mean shes not a corporatist jack_krass Apr 2016 #62

Yada yada.... yada. seabeyond Apr 2016 #63

Exactly. Great summary of one part of the Big Con. Skwmom Apr 2016 #10

Thats interesting jcgoldie Apr 2016 #14

The bottom 90% have NO INFLUENCE ON CONGRESS kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #18

Poor people get fucked no matter what I get that. jcgoldie Apr 2016 #25

I don't think Hillary is that much worsier than other Dems kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #38

These are good points jcgoldie Apr 2016 #41

I was fooled by Obama, but should have not being kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #50

See jcgoldie Apr 2016 #57

Can you make this an OP sometime? Barack_America Apr 2016 #21

Of course she is. Facts bare it out. Fact, at our hand. That is the out of control, over the top seabeyond Apr 2016 #3

538 was full of crap. 538 is full of crap. whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #5

Its a Conspiracy!!!! Stallion Apr 2016 #28

Yep, and the earth is flat and global warming is a Bolshevik plot. TekGryphon Apr 2016 #36

538.......under the bus with you! nt cry baby Apr 2016 #6

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #7

Same reaction here. n/t truedelphi Apr 2016 #76

That's why it's quite apparent Bernie has always respected her n/t Onlooker Apr 2016 #9

The BSS meme that Hillary is a Republican redstateblues Apr 2016 #11

Well, I never called her a Republican, Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #22

The original progressive were not socialist nt. Buzz cook Apr 2016 #53

Again, depends on how you define "socialism" Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #65

Excellent analysis. DCBob Apr 2016 #15

Depends on what your definition of "liberal" is. Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #16

That chart is a joke, so of course DUers post it. pnwmom Apr 2016 #20

No more of a joke than 538. Barack_America Apr 2016 #23

From the perspective of the most 1% of lefties, she doesn't look liberal. From the center, pnwmom Apr 2016 #24

No, the people on the Right do. Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #43

Your number two? Buzz cook Apr 2016 #55

I don't know that he was ever asked Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #72

Then please please let me define it for you. I am definitely truedelphi Apr 2016 #77

538 uses data to support its claims. That unsourced chart is just a pretty picture. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #27

Not to mention a libertarian recruitment tool (nt) Recursion Apr 2016 #73

Again, Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #26

Koch Brothers like her. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #48

I would like see where other elected Democrats show up on that chart. DCBob Apr 2016 #30

Agreed. Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #44

Pretty close to right where Clinton is. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #49

And her pro-choice bona fides Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #51

Really? Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #56

But apparently 90% of congress are conservatives. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #17

Yes, about 90% is right of center. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #46

Yes! mcar Apr 2016 #19

She's center right. basselope Apr 2016 #31

Says people incapable of reading anything that isn't in their echo chamber. TekGryphon Apr 2016 #35

No, says facts. basselope Apr 2016 #45

You're really going to "facts" the greatest statistician team of all time with... TekGryphon Apr 2016 #52

She's center right. basselope Apr 2016 #78

Anybody who says she isn't is essentially trolling you Dem2 Apr 2016 #32

What a self serving and absurd statement JumpinJehosaphat Apr 2016 #58

This is how you make sense of it: she's human. That means she evolves and changes her mind pnwmom Apr 2016 #60

I'm sorry but where is the leadership? Bernie Sanders may have said that, I'll check up on that. But JumpinJehosaphat Apr 2016 #69

Her position on healthcare was based on what could be passed through Congress. pnwmom Apr 2016 #75

On domestic issues? Yeah she is liberal enough. actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #64

Even on foreign policy. pnwmom Apr 2016 #67

Oh well then that's a relief! I can now be confident... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #70

How can you call a person who is the biggest hawk of all running a liberal? Fracking, TPP . . . snowy owl Apr 2016 #66

Neo* Tiggeroshii Apr 2016 #68

Pro-war, pro-private prison, pro-fracking, pro-TPP does not equate to "liberal." Scuba Apr 2016 #79

What does any of that have to do with Hillary? Nothing. pnwmom Apr 2016 #80

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Scuba Apr 2016 #82

You should educate yourself. pnwmom Apr 2016 #83

I'm put more faith in past actions than campaign rhetoric. Scuba Apr 2016 #84

Bogus framing. Orsino Apr 2016 #81