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liberal_at_heart

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10. If it is Trump vs. Hillary, Trump will get the Independents.
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

He has already proven during the primaries he can get Independents to vote for him. Hillary cannot. She does not have the Independent vote. I also think the left leaning Independent Bernie supporters will either stay home, write in Bernie's name or vote third party. I am an Independent, but I would rather not say who I will vote for if it is Trump vs. Hillary. That is my business and no one else's.

Why don't we let Democratic primary voters decide who will be the nominee. hack89 May 2016 #1
That's a great idea AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #2
I'll relay it to you. Hillary's our nominee. Hortensis May 2016 #20
Not. Yet. AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #27
And yet, the GENERAL IS ON. Hortensis May 2016 #41
Isn't that what the next six weeks is about? Attorney in Texas May 2016 #3
Yes. And whoever leads with pledged delegates at the end should be the nominee. hack89 May 2016 #4
I generally agree. I could foresee exceptions to that general rule, but I generally agree. The party Attorney in Texas May 2016 #12
Occupy, huh? NurseJackie May 2016 #14
I'm getting at reform of the party rules, a better party platform, and restoration of the DNC to Attorney in Texas May 2016 #21
No. But we can go with that. NurseJackie May 2016 #30
I'm not even sure what you're implying but obviously it's so awesome you're afraid to say it and I'm Attorney in Texas May 2016 #55
Spoiler alert! NurseJackie May 2016 #56
There will be no fight at the convention hack89 May 2016 #15
Are you so sure about that? I'm not. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #22
How does it happen? hack89 May 2016 #26
If Sanders cannot pull off the upset, I presume that Hillary would want to try to unify the party. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #40
Hillary will set the platform that she runs under hack89 May 2016 #44
You haven't been to a convention, have you? You think it was a coincidence that Obama picked Hillary Attorney in Texas May 2016 #48
Like I said, negotiated beforehand. hack89 May 2016 #50
The only difference is Hillary demanded something for her resume. Sanders would want something for Attorney in Texas May 2016 #57
He can ask. Doesn't mean he will get it. hack89 May 2016 #58
We'll see. I don't think threats will work (and would seriously backfire). They have no hammer over Attorney in Texas May 2016 #63
If they threaten to do that, TM99 May 2016 #79
He will not demand hack89 May 2016 #84
Sanders is not a narcissist like TM99 May 2016 #86
Because they're fucking it up. Jester Messiah May 2016 #8
So you are for democracy as long as your guy is winning. hack89 May 2016 #11
I'm for winning the goddamn general election. Jester Messiah May 2016 #13
So throwing away the votes of millions of Democrats is going to help Bernie in the GE? hack89 May 2016 #17
Funny to hear that from a Hillarite. Jester Messiah May 2016 #19
So Bernie can win without the party uniting around him? hack89 May 2016 #23
There would be enough, with the independents. Jester Messiah May 2016 #28
That explains your contempt for Democratic voters hack89 May 2016 #33
+100 840high May 2016 #127
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #34
HRC can't win open primaries and you expect her to win the GE? amborin May 2016 #43
She has won more open primaries then Bernie has hack89 May 2016 #47
She's won the majority of open primaries. Codeine May 2016 #51
I don't trust the culture of corruption that Clinton represents. rhett o rick May 2016 #60
Not in the least, considering their track record. basselope May 2016 #76
So you are comfortable ignoring them? hack89 May 2016 #82
They are a minority of a minority, so yes, completely comfortable. basselope May 2016 #83
So you embrace the idea of Super Delegates as complete free agents hack89 May 2016 #85
I embrace the idea of fully Open Primaries and no super delegates. basselope May 2016 #87
That's nice. nt hack89 May 2016 #90
Since the democratic party is afraid of voters... I now don't care how Bernie gets the nomination. basselope May 2016 #91
How is the democratic party afraid of voters? You are the one wanting the Supers all american girl May 2016 #94
they need open primaries in ALL states basselope May 2016 #107
Glad to see you like a few to decide for the rest of us...I kind of dig our system, warts and all all american girl May 2016 #109
No, I want ALL to decide... basselope May 2016 #112
If you don't mind, I would prefer not to have republicans deciding for us. all american girl May 2016 #113
So you are for voter ID laws. basselope May 2016 #114
When did I say that....I looked and looked and couldn't find it. Could you point it out for me. all american girl May 2016 #116
When you brought up the moronic notion of people switching sides in influencing elections. basselope May 2016 #117
No, we have an open primary where we do not declare a party... all american girl May 2016 #118
Yet you like voter suppression... basselope May 2016 #119
Again, not what I said all american girl May 2016 #120
Strangely, it IS that difficult. basselope May 2016 #121
I don't trust that they've had enough exposure to Sander's message. tom-servo May 2016 #123
What other possible choice is there? Nt hack89 May 2016 #124
Maybe if the difference in delegates is small enough... tom-servo May 2016 #125
How close would they have to be? Nt hack89 May 2016 #126
An excellent question... tom-servo May 2016 #130
Michael Moore: amborin May 2016 #5
this ^ Attorney in Texas May 2016 #25
she can't win open primaries, so she won't be able to win the GE: amborin May 2016 #45
I'm sure the geniuses running her campaign are trying to close the general election even now Attorney in Texas May 2016 #49
She's won the majority of open primaries. nt Codeine May 2016 #53
.that^ 840high May 2016 #129
Define "We" Because Many Aren't Part of "Us" Unless Your Candidate Wins Stallion May 2016 #6
Hillary has won more delegates and votes. hrmjustin May 2016 #7
Yes, but its votes in the general that count Kelvin Mace May 2016 #31
Ask them what exactly? JoePhilly May 2016 #35
Ask them what happens when you don't sway independents Kelvin Mace May 2016 #64
Sanders will not be able to unite Democrats because for him to win the supers would hrmjustin May 2016 #59
I would hazard that if he were the nominee Kelvin Mace May 2016 #62
You would be wrong. hrmjustin May 2016 #66
Again, people like you claimed that they wouldn't vote for the man Kelvin Mace May 2016 #67
This is different. Hillary has won more votes and delegates. hrmjustin May 2016 #68
And again Kelvin Mace May 2016 #69
Does not justify stealing the election from Hillary. hrmjustin May 2016 #70
If her questioning goes bad, or she takes the 5th, Kelvin Mace May 2016 #71
And stealing the race from her makes Sanders a sure loser. hrmjustin May 2016 #72
Let's try this again Kelvin Mace May 2016 #73
Let me be clear for you. She will not be indicted. hrmjustin May 2016 #74
She hasn't "won" anything Kelvin Mace May 2016 #77
She has won 300 more delegates and 3 million more votes than Sanders. hrmjustin May 2016 #80
Yes, I am quite familiar with the official talking point Kelvin Mace May 2016 #81
My point still stands. Steal it from her and Sanders will not get our support. hrmjustin May 2016 #88
Blowing the election herself Kelvin Mace May 2016 #92
If he steals the nom, I'm afraid you would be wrong. all american girl May 2016 #95
The primary election is hers to lose Kelvin Mace May 2016 #98
Pretty much everything you wrote is...well... all american girl May 2016 #99
No, I didn't "make it up" Kelvin Mace May 2016 #100
When Bernie is out, that will change in her favor. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #9
She is not acceptable to many progressives... Yurovsky May 2016 #18
If it is Trump vs. Hillary, Trump will get the Independents. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #10
Trump gets independents and Republicans. Millennial Democrats stay home (or vote Jill Stein). Attorney in Texas May 2016 #16
Exactly. And there aren't enough of them to win in November. Yurovsky May 2016 #24
Precisely! Kelvin Mace May 2016 #32
Clinton is courting and will probably pull some Republican women (single 30s-40s) JimDandy May 2016 #37
That's nonsense. JoePhilly May 2016 #36
So if they cant get $15 an hour with Bernie, they will take an abolishment of the MW Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #29
Tiny minds can't see beyond "Party." Independents aren't real to them. Neither is the GE. senz May 2016 #38
Most voters in the Democratic primaries do not share this assessment Tarc May 2016 #39
Maybe you noticed that the race is not over. They don't call the game in the seventh inning. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #42
Camp Sanders frequently misuses the baseball analogy. Let me help you out with that Tarc May 2016 #52
No doubt Hillary is the strong favorite. No one suggests otherwise. Good luck in West Virginia. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #54
That is a number that is going to go much higher.. Skwmom May 2016 #46
HRC has won 12.2 miln votes, Trump: 10.1 miln - this is with none of the people voting for Bernie Bill USA May 2016 #61
You get that is not how the general election works, right? You understand that 12 million votes is Attorney in Texas May 2016 #65
do you understand the concept of extrapolating from a sample?? IF you had gone to the post I Bill USA May 2016 #78
You had better hope that's bullshit (relax - it is) because Republicans set turnout records and the Attorney in Texas May 2016 #106
Repubs have big turnout & still HRC has more votes than Trump? If you R assuming all th GOP primary Bill USA May 2016 #122
There were way more Republican candidates to split the vote though Ash_F May 2016 #133
Romney beat Obama with indies JI7 May 2016 #75
No, it was near 50/50. HooptieWagon May 2016 #103
If Bernie can't win the democratic nomination workinclasszero May 2016 #89
Because it's his turn!!! grossproffit May 2016 #96
Yes we need another old white guy for president workinclasszero May 2016 #97
Traditional liberal IS under-represented. HooptieWagon May 2016 #104
re: "no candidate can win without appealing to independents." thesquanderer May 2016 #93
Yes we would bkkyosemite May 2016 #101
Trump is negative 67% justiceischeap May 2016 #102
No "if's". It is a done deal. seabeyond May 2016 #105
You should tell the Hillary folks in West Virginia, Oregon, California, etc. to stay home because Attorney in Texas May 2016 #108
Votes will continue and STILL, it is a done deal. seabeyond May 2016 #111
To nominate Bernie then means millions of Clinton votes are then worthless? jzodda May 2016 #110
Why are minorities fucking this up for poor Bernie? LexVegas May 2016 #115
So you get to define who's a minority? I suppose that makes identity over ideology politics easier. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #132
There's no if about it. Bernie is NOT going to be the nominee. The idea that he can somehow pnwmom May 2016 #128
Please share your views with Clinton's supporters in West Virginia, Oregon, California, etc. Thanks! Attorney in Texas May 2016 #131
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