I didn't say the center's 'ok', just that it's the center. Center is a measurement, not a philosophy (Reply #66)

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CrowCityDem (2,348 posts)

66. I didn't say the center's 'ok', just that it's the center. Center is a measurement, not a philosophy

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Mustn't we reevaluate our party since it is is going through a right wing realignment? [View all]	Dragonfli	May 2016	OP
Hillary and the DNC are not right wing. They are more moderate than you like, that's all.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#1
Aiding and abetting the ongoing power grab of Wall St and Corporate Monopolists is not moderate	Armstead	May 2016	#3
Well Said!	Ferd Berfel	May 2016	#38
If allowing the people to decide is a CHANGE that reduces profits it may beforbidden by trade policy	Baobab	May 2016	#44
If TPP is enacted	Ferd Berfel	May 2016	#90
And bumper-stickers filled with the flavor-of-the-day pejoratives are not arguments.	LanternWaste	May 2016	#41
Not the flavor of the day	Armstead	May 2016	#43
And yet funnily enough	whatthehey	May 2016	#154
The 70's were a mess and the Democrats were trying to figure out what to be	Armstead	May 2016	#155
So ok Clinton's didn't start it. When should we grab the platform of the real Dem party?	whatthehey	May 2016	#156
There never was a Golden Era....But on balance the Dems had more principles	Armstead	May 2016	#157
And Clinton and Obama likewise	whatthehey	May 2016	#158
You're either getting hoodwinked or you're doing the hoodwinking.	Broward	May 2016	#4
You need to realize what the right wing actually is.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#5
The Right wing is pro War ,pro Wall Street, against Single Payer , just like Hillary.	bahrbearian	May 2016	#8
Bernie voted to remove Saddam, build F-35s, deregulate derivatives. He's a conservative!!	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#12
Lol and Hillary is a Progressive who like to get things done" Like War, Coups, and Donations	bahrbearian	May 2016	#16
That kind of stuff is only conservative...	TwilightZone	May 2016	#17
Remind me of the Vote Bernie made to remove Saddam was It the IRW?	bahrbearian	May 2016	#21
1999. Authored by Rumsfeld. Made regime change the official US stance.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#22
but regime change does not, nor does it always, come through war. Saddam was a	Exilednight	May 2016	#28
A conservative Democratic Socialist? Twisting political categories to avoid the painful truth about	Kip Humphrey	May 2016	#26
I'm saying you can't use two positions to determine the whole.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#46
Could it be a Democratic supply sider?	immoderate	May 2016	#9
They are playing their assigned role. Nothing more.	arcane1	May 2016	#20
OK , you convinced me.	bahrbearian	May 2016	#6
And yet you think Bernie and his supporters are fringe Left wing?	-none	May 2016	#7
Heh. Bernie is just LBJ with a 4-barrel carburetor.	Eleanors38	May 2016	#77
I do not support her in the Primary	SheenaR	May 2016	#10
Comparing us to Europe doesn't work. Different people, differing issues.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#11
I disagree with you	SheenaR	May 2016	#13
Bernie is the center? Who in this country is to his left?	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#18
I didn't say center	SheenaR	May 2016	#23
We don't live in vaccuums.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#45
This isn't family feud. Just because we have no serious left...	arendt	May 2016	#53
If there is no, as you put it, serious left, the center is not where you think it is.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#58
If left,right, and center mean different things in different places, they are meaningless words.	arendt	May 2016	#63
I didn't say the center's 'ok', just that it's the center. Center is a measurement, not a philosophy	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#66
A measurement is not a policy.	arendt	May 2016	#69
Liberal is immediately to the left of center. Conservative immediately to the right	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#106
There are 3 centres. The center between the Republicans and the Democrats. And then the two	Seeinghope	May 2016	#116
We have anti-business leftists who oppose capitalism.	senz	May 2016	#78
The American center isn't far enough left.	forjusticethunders	May 2016	#34
Well, can't say you're wrong. Chris Hedges agrees with you.	arendt	May 2016	#54
I want a left that:	forjusticethunders	May 2016	#84
First off, read history as to why that has happened	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#86
"The Turner Raids"	Sparkly	May 2016	#130
1917	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#145
There is some overlap in our positions, but...	arendt	May 2016	#126
Tell us how you really feel	forjusticethunders	May 2016	#128
The issues are real. Identity politics is the wrong approach.	arendt	May 2016	#138
"no rule as to when", not "no real as to when" n/t	arendt	May 2016	#139
Minefield ahead...oh well	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#151
When we're past racism and sexism, that might make sense.	Sparkly	May 2016	#131
IP is not going to get us past racism	arendt	May 2016	#140
This. All of this.	vintx	May 2016	#132
From where you stand that is, she looks lefty to you	All in it together	May 2016	#29
Pro fracking	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#31
Not to mention...	Ferd Berfel	May 2016	#39
also not to mention,	bvar22	May 2016	#95
translation;	Ferd Berfel	May 2016	#98
"Corporations are Free at last!"	reddread	May 2016	#159
+1	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2016	#36
They are Right Wing by definition, their goals and their actions, their only "moderation" lies in	Dragonfli	May 2016	#40
That's fine. It doesn't change that Hillary is to the left of TODAY'S center.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#49
I disagree, besides, you are CHANGING DEFINITION AGAIN did you not read the polls that refute even	Dragonfli	May 2016	#52
Since there is no set philosophy from the "center party", of course I meant the center of our two.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#56
More rhetorical bullshit	arendt	May 2016	#55
Jim Crow used to be 'centrist' policy. Politics changes with time.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#59
Who cares. Jim Crow was heinous wherever on your phony L/R/C scale you put it.	arendt	May 2016	#71
I'm not defending anything.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#72
I don't think there are "center" policies.	arendt	May 2016	#73
So you can't define the center, and yet it can never shift? Yeah, that's a solid argument.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#75
It doesn't shift because it doesn't exist/	arendt	May 2016	#76
OMG!!!! Not "Goodbye FOREVER". Crushing blow. nt	COLGATE4	May 2016	#101
At least you tried. Reality doesn't matter cause they're with her. nt	vintx	May 2016	#133
They appear to have constructed their own reality, it really is quite fascinating in a detached way	Dragonfli	May 2016	#143
There is no such thing as 'todays' center	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#107
Actually what it does not change is that HRC	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#146
Yeah, because that platform...	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#150
Because of actions like pushing for trade agreements that benefit	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#153
Here is an objective, unbiased analysis from politicalcompass.org	tabasco	May 2016	#47
That compares us to Europe. I'm talking about American politics.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#48
Again, this is the equivalent of "moral relativism"	arendt	May 2016	#61
Everything is relative.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#64
Fine. Then, from where I stand, you are a complete propagandist.	arendt	May 2016	#70
We actually have an active communist party in the United States	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#85
"And political science paradigms are not dependent on relative things." Thank you for stating that.	Dragonfli	May 2016	#120
You welcome and RWers used to do this as well	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#144
Right versus left are universal standards, not "U.S. standards"	tabasco	May 2016	#74
No, that puts our politics in a standard political science structure	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#82
Political science is not that malleable	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#79
What does "Moderate" mean?	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#105
They're moderate all right -	LiberalElite	May 2016	#161
This genie is out of the bottle... this party will change forever when Sanders is denied	yourpaljoey	May 2016	#2
The timid and Republican lite Democrats simply create a bigger monster Republican Party all the time	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#14
Our party is indergoing a left-wing realignment. Long overdue. n/t	Orsino	May 2016	#15
??? With Hillary leading the party?	BillZBubb	May 2016	#30
Despite Clinton's likely win.	Orsino	May 2016	#33
That's right. Not all at once, but it is already underway. And now that Sanders has	silvershadow	May 2016	#57
my hope	Fairgo	May 2016	#81
I disagree.	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#147
It's still happening to our party.	Orsino	May 2016	#148
There is a nasty sub rosa conflict	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#149
Recommended!	H2O Man	May 2016	#19
Any compliment from you I consider high praise as your posts have always been so well thought out	Dragonfli	May 2016	#42
My thanks to both of you, both of you organize your thoughts and write them down	mrdmk	May 2016	#99
H2O and Dragon...	Optimism	May 2016	#115
Excellent job you two. n/t	JimDandy	May 2016	#152
This message was self-deleted by its author	potisok	May 2016	#51
Liberal and progressive ideals are much, much more important than the Party. [n/t]	Maedhros	May 2016	#24
Just because Bernie gets support from primarily white voters in conservative areas ...	Onlooker	May 2016	#25
The Democratic Party started to leave me when I was told it was a big tent that included Rick	djean111	May 2016	#27
I came to the conclusion that the democratic party is not my party so I left it.	Autumn	May 2016	#32
This is the Party's strategy:	Maedhros	May 2016	#109
Jamie Dimon whipping votes on the Senate floor at Obama's behest was the final straw.	Autumn	May 2016	#111
I left in 2009 or so, came back for Bernie, will leave ASAP.	Maedhros	May 2016	#114
Barney Frank, Wall Street banker, in charge of DNC rules committe?	amborin	May 2016	#35
Laughable and insulting	Dem2	May 2016	#37
LOL!! "Right wing realignment"	Sparkly	May 2016	#50
I think it is going through a "progressive vs. elitist" realignment even more than a "right vs. left	Attorney in Texas	May 2016	#60
That sounds about right to me!	Seeinghope	May 2016	#117
Better idea: The losers could start their own party. The majority wins in this Country.	Lil Missy	May 2016	#62
Right, and I can start my own car company in my garage.	arendt	May 2016	#67
Take heart. They may take the radical step of redesigning the donut logo and....	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#65
I've decided I will no longer aid and abet the rightward drift of the party by voting for DINOs.	Arugula Latte	May 2016	#68
++	Vincardog	May 2016	#93
Remember the day when it was Democrats that were blocking women from voting?	ViseGrip	May 2016	#80
and another three general party realignments.	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#87
Not sure many want to question it.	oldandhappy	May 2016	#83
Seems like you should have done some introspection about the 'revolution' -BEFORE the 'revolution'.	randome	May 2016	#88
Great post! K&R	Sky Masterson	May 2016	#89
K&R We need representation, period.	felix_numinous	May 2016	#91
I have to admit that I stopped registering Democrat after Bill Clinton's first term.	bjo59	May 2016	#92
MEGACHURCH MOMS!	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#94
Excellent Essay, Dragonfli	bvar22	May 2016	#96
I'm sure you were quite pleased with my FDR quote in response to a sock that claims that Hillary	Dragonfli	May 2016	#110
this sure ain't the party of	elana i am	May 2016	#113
I ask myself that every time I visit this site now	vintx	May 2016	#134
Good post we should have had this conversation after the conservative Clinton administration. I am	Todays_Illusion	May 2016	#97
Well said!	Dark n Stormy Knight	May 2016	#100
So Long, Centrist Democrats	BlueStateLib	May 2016	#102
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2016	#103
you had the chance to 're-align' the party	bigtree	May 2016	#104
I did not, nor have ever wished to realign the party as a Right wing fiscal party that Resembles	Dragonfli	May 2016	#108
you sure talk some twaddle	bigtree	May 2016	#122
Pretty long winded answer tio dance your way out of falsely claiming I wanted a party realignment	Dragonfli	May 2016	#135
So basically you're saying that you reject reality and substitute it with your own?	vintx	May 2016	#137
Yes we must.	Optimism	May 2016	#112
Another OUTSTANDING OP Dragonfli!	2banon	May 2016	#118
You are most welcome, all I do is simply speak my mind, I have payed attention for decades /nt	Dragonfli	May 2016	#119
Yes, I believe Bernie supporters are probably the most highly informed of the entire electorate.	2banon	May 2016	#127
Call me a "moderate" for saying this if you will, but...	moriah	May 2016	#121
K&R..	disillusioned73	May 2016	#123
Kicked and recommended!	Enthusiast	May 2016	#124
THIS is what so many Democrats today don't grok. At ALL.	Triana	May 2016	#125
So incredibly well thought out, I wish more people saw this dynamic for what it is.	vintx	May 2016	#129
Thank you so much for this thread.	myrna minx	May 2016	#136
It is not a "right wing alignment." It is a right (as in correct) alignment. The days of just	Jitter65	May 2016	#141
You didn't read the OP, it is coming from politicians and corporate "think tanks"	Dragonfli	May 2016	#142
Yes, we must.	LWolf	May 2016	#160

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