2016 Postmortem

apnu

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134. Yup. People forget Bernie is a politician.

Sat May 14, 2016, 10:38 AM

May 2016

By defination, he makes deals and uses leverage. He is not His High Holiness Saint Bernie of Sanders. Rather, he is a political animal who's spent decades as an independent getting things done in Congress. And again, nothing gets done in Congress without deals, swapping favors and votes, all involving leverage. Bernie has leverage now, he will use it before this is over.

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Hillary demanded a Secretary of State appointment in exchange for calling off her PUMAs. [View all] Attorney in Texas May 2016 OP

I find that easy to believe but do you have any evidence? cali May 2016 #1

No. Agschmid May 2016 #2

Okay....let me ask you something. Do you normally go about your day, msanthrope May 2016 #28

It depends. In this case, based both on what I know about politics and Clinton, cali May 2016 #31

So....based on what you know about the President, this is what you believe? msanthrope May 2016 #36

Presidential level collusion rarely comes with evidence SwampG8r May 2016 #40

So the lack of evidence is the evidence? Sounds like what the Repubs have been arguing synergie May 2016 #66

Actually what you are saying is Republican-like. OwlinAZ May 2016 #128

Actually, no. But Republicans do need to project when their tactics are called out. Well done. synergie May 2016 #136

Actually, it is not true. What happened is well Hortensis May 2016 #70

+1 oasis May 2016 #84

kick and rec !!!!!!!!!!!!! still_one May 2016 #92

The Bern Squad isn't interested in things like documented facts. nt BootinUp May 2016 #124

Thanks for this, another vile, unfounded rumor is disbunked. brush May 2016 #130

What would be hard to believe ... dchill May 2016 #103

Then, Believe THIS! The EVIDENCE Is CLEAR AND... IRREFUTABLE! CorporatistNation May 2016 #120

You call that racist, I call it racist to assume that her calling out drug dealers as predators . . brush May 2016 #131

There are patterns of behavior and known histories. OwlinAZ May 2016 #126

Horsetrading Cabinet positions is a common practice, but it's illegal, so everyone denies it leveymg May 2016 #133

Agreed benny05 May 2016 #3

Tad Devine does not win elections. nt msanthrope May 2016 #29

This is a big fat lie. DURHAM D May 2016 #4

wonderfully fact filled logic there DonCoquixote May 2016 #6

"Sanders is not making any similar demand". Yet, you forgot to include the 'yet'. procon May 2016 #5

Yup. People forget Bernie is a politician. apnu May 2016 #134

This is a rather serious assertion, as it is actually against the law Tarc May 2016 #7

Oh look I've seen that somewhere else. nt. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #12

ROFL Live and Learn May 2016 #24

Wow you truly are a piece of work, threatening to report a thread because you don't like the content insta8er May 2016 #15

I'd rather not see accusations of illegality without proof levied against Democrats Tarc May 2016 #45

Guess you should have read up on how the rules of this website go. JTFrog May 2016 #78

Well said. sheshe2 May 2016 #114

Trust me she has violated many laws and helped to ensure that people with money Live and Learn May 2016 #25

There we go with blind, uncorroborated assertions of lawbreaking Tarc May 2016 #43

Nope, simple truth. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #44

Put up or shut up then, bro Tarc May 2016 #46

Who you calling boy? Racist term but I am sure you will deny being one. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #47

There, there's a better term now Tarc May 2016 #48

Good, you've changed terms from racist to juvenile and asinine. WTG. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #51

Still waiting... Tarc May 2016 #52

Wait away and have fun doing so. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #53

Still waiting... Tarc May 2016 #56

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Are you a Berniebro ? stonecutter357 May 2016 #61

Oh they don't like that term, apparently rude Bernie supporters who say synergie May 2016 #72

... Tarc May 2016 #94

Tarc didn't call you a boy. but you do sound like your 8... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #63

That seems to be the literacy and maturity level at play here. synergie May 2016 #77

Tarc said bro, not boy. sheshe2 May 2016 #115

Yeah, you don't have much credibility since you seem to enjoy many works of fiction synergie May 2016 #71

I do not trust you. nt JTFrog May 2016 #79

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I think it is a lie that Clinton had anything to do with PUMA one way or another. PUMA of 2016 seabeyond May 2016 #8

What is the evidence for your claim? MineralMan May 2016 #9

Wouldn't surprise me if true... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #10

FYI Jury Fail Warren Stupidity May 2016 #11

Yep, 5 fails. joshcryer May 2016 #16

it is a discussion board. discuss. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #17

Discuss made up shit? joshcryer May 2016 #18

Can't discuss the topic the OP postulates because there is no evidence. Fla Dem May 2016 #59

A discussion board with terms members agree to uphold. JTFrog May 2016 #86

I certainly agree it is a jury fail that you are so proud of. sheshe2 May 2016 #117

And unicorns are real (or, if you prefer, the x and y bosons exist). moriah May 2016 #13

This is flat out false. joshcryer May 2016 #14

Got a source for that? democrattotheend May 2016 #19

I've always believed the assertion the OP makes dreamnightwind May 2016 #21

I think Obama offered it so she could use it to run again. joshcryer May 2016 #26

When is he going to magnanimous to liberals? Seems it only applies to conservatives otherwise TheKentuckian May 2016 #93

I don't think he begged but I do believe he pressed it. joshcryer May 2016 #27

I agree with your assessment democrattotheend May 2016 #118

That's a lie. nt. Nonhlanhla May 2016 #20

Yep, and Karl Rove has been indicted. Nye Bevan May 2016 #22

Sounds legit. Absent evidence to the contrary, I will have to assume it is true. silvershadow May 2016 #23

Sounds false. Absent evidence to the contrary, I will have to assume it's made up crap. Fla Dem May 2016 #62

Sure, and Bernie Sanders and Jane have a history of fraud and birbery. Absent evidence synergie May 2016 #68

Why are you slamming the President this way? nt msanthrope May 2016 #30

Well, that was a stupid waste of pixels. Starry Messenger May 2016 #32

I did not hear this... Mike Nelson May 2016 #33

No she didn't. You made that up. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #34

And she wanted President Obama to retire Hillary's $22 million dollar debt. w4rma May 2016 #35

Flame bait and simply a lie. Sancho May 2016 #37

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There it is...nt SidDithers May 2016 #41

I find there are only certain groups of people who trot out "Zionist" as a slur Tarc May 2016 #55

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories Cary May 2016 #89

The far left is represented here way beyond Hortensis May 2016 #95

I thought the exchange was for payment of campaign debts. Vinca May 2016 #39

Well, a deal was no doubt reached... Orsino May 2016 #49

This thread goes a long way in explaining Texas. This poster calls him/herself an Trust Buster May 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #58

Can you provide a source for your title? If not, why should anyone read anything beneath it? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #60

That is because you are a lawyer who understands why sourcing/evidence is important Gothmog May 2016 #105

And then she fucked things up royally tabasco May 2016 #64

And your evidence that she made such a demand, and that Bernie is not making demands? synergie May 2016 #65

Tulsi Gabbard as VP would go a long way toward mending fences. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #67

When have we ever suggest a President hire someone that exclusively works against them? seabeyond May 2016 #74

Your expectation is that I'll vote for one. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #80

Your reply has nothing to do with my post. I have no expectation you voting Clinton for any reason. seabeyond May 2016 #81

Let's go there. I'm a white, middle-aged working class white guy with three draft age sons. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #85

Because it's all about him. JTFrog May 2016 #88

It shouldn't be? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #97

You're a Republican voter? n/t kcr May 2016 #123

Seems like my question would have been an easy one to answer. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #135

My question was pretty easy, too n/t kcr May 2016 #137

That is a non-starter. You don't mend fences by rewarding behavior like hers. synergie May 2016 #75

Refresh my memory, who did Obama hire as SoS? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #82

Someone who did behave, to use your word as "shitty" as Tulis did. Refresh my memory, synergie May 2016 #90

When did Hillary indulge in stupid antics and say utterly false and homophobic things? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #98

You sound like one of Brock's paid trolls. Kaela May 2016 #109

I don't think Tulsi would accept VP Pastiche423 May 2016 #111

What a load. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #69

Attorney in Texas Loki May 2016 #73

+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #76

Probably has weekends off. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #83

I wouldn't doubt it gopiscrap May 2016 #87

No she didn't. George II May 2016 #91

More right wingerish trip uponit7771 May 2016 #96

That is utter rubbish!!!! Beacool May 2016 #99

Trash fleabiscuit May 2016 #100

As you can see, there are all sorts of ex post facto cover stories being concocted in denial tularetom May 2016 #101

Honestly, accusing the President and the former SoS wasn't even needed. SaschaHM May 2016 #102

Well at least we have established that this OP is a shameless liar. tritsofme May 2016 #104

No link, no proof, no fact. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #106

Well, now. Aren't you just the lying sack. Hmmm? (read with your best church lady voice) Squinch May 2016 #107

Peesonally, I have more faith in both Obama and Hillary when these decisions Thinkingabout May 2016 #108

This Is Complete Bullshit, Seriously Not True At All! Corey_Baker08 May 2016 #112

Proof? Renew Deal May 2016 #113

I beg to differ, she did not demand anything. President Obama, akbacchus_BC May 2016 #116

"Party Rules" mean a lot to someone who wasn't a member of the Party until last year? brooklynite May 2016 #119

(Citation needed) Il_Coniglietto May 2016 #121

Frackinlooper would not be a good choice trudyco May 2016 #122

Any link for her "demand"? Agschmid May 2016 #125

Take down your post. You look beyond foolish for making up stuff without any evidence! Is this riversedge May 2016 #127

Shameful post - should delete this factless accusation SharonClark May 2016 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #132