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2016 Postmortem

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Time for change

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Sat May 14, 2016, 11:46 AM May 2016

How Strongly Do we Believe in Fair Elections? [View all]

In the past several weeks I have posted many posts on DU which have included evidence which I consider to be highly suggestive of election fraud against Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries. This evidence includes: massive voter suppression/purging in Arizona (and evidence that the purging was targeted at Sanders) and New York and other states; a fake audit of voting machines in Illinois, in which public citizens observed the auditors changing their hand count of the vote to match the machine count by subtracting Sanders votes and adding Clinton votes to their initial hand count (and they provided sworn testimony to that effect); huge discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote counts, in which Sanders almost always does considerably worse in the official count than predicted by the exit polls; screen shots from the Delaware primary that showed Sanders’ vote DECREASING as the number of reporting precincts increased, and; the fact that Sanders does so much better in precincts that are hand counted and in caucuses, where election fraud is so much more difficult.

For all this, I am repeated accused by Clinton supporters of being a “conspiracy theorist” (as if conspiracies to steal election in our country could not possibly occur) and worse.

But I believe that those accusations are all unfair, because I have never advocated that any vote counts or delegates be revised on the evidence that I present or any other evidence alone. All I am advocating is extensive hand counted and publicly observed audits (as was done in the Florida 2000 Presidential election, and nobody on DU that I am aware of had any problem with that) of all states that exhibited substantial exit poll discrepancies from the official vote count or exhibited other evidence of election fraud. Such audits should reveal whether or not there are extensive discrepancies between the hand counted audits and the machine counts.

Anyone who knows anything about our election system knows that our electronic voting machines can be easily manipulated for election fraud. Why shouldn’t we at least have a system for auditing them with hand counts at the slightest evidence of fraud?

What is so terrible about that? The results of such audits should do away with the need to theorize about whether the Democratic primaries have been rife with election fraud. They should put an end to all “conspiracies theories” on the subject. I don’t see any valid reason why either Sanders supporters or Clinton supporters should be against that, except that maybe it might make their candidate look bad. At worst, it will cost some money and effort. At best it could help save our democracy.

I am conducting a poll on this because I would very much like to know where DUers stand on this issue, which I consider to be of the utmost importance to our democracy:

43 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
I am a Sanders supporter who believes that in the interest of fair elections, extensive audits should be performed as suggested in the OP
40 (93%)
I am a Clinton supporter who believes that in the interest of fair elections, extensive audits should be performed as suggested in the OP
0 (0%)
I am a Sanders supporter who believes that there is insufficient evidence to warrant extensive hand counted audits of the Democratic primaries
0 (0%)
I am a Clinton supporter who believes that there is insufficient evidence to warrant extensive hand counted audits of the Democratic primaries
2 (5%)
1 (2%)
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It's more than "highly suggestive". There is corruption in this election smack in our face. bkkyosemite May 2016 #1
I agree Time for change May 2016 #7
I agree. I will go so far as to say the election is being stolen for Hillary. No way do I think she reformist2 May 2016 #15
you will find that most Democrats are highly in favor of sensible reforms BootinUp May 2016 #2
And investigations are going on but not enough of them! bkkyosemite May 2016 #3
While I'm certainly a Sanders supporter... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #4
Paper Ballots only way. bkkyosemite May 2016 #8
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #10
I believe that the evidence that you and others have shown dana_b May 2016 #5
If not for the fraud and out and out cheating I believe Bernie would be ahead right now. bkkyosemite May 2016 #9
so do I. It's the ONLY way that she could win dana_b May 2016 #14
The issue is not conspiracy theorists mooseprime May 2016 #6
Excellent point. CrispyQ May 2016 #12
I am an American who believes that the entire electoral process is corrupt & compromised. CrispyQ May 2016 #11
Democratic primaries should all be closed to 'independents' and Republicans. onehandle May 2016 #13
That has nothing to do with the poll questions, but I have to respond to that Time for change May 2016 #31
You ran straight to threatening the Democratic Party and hoping for a third party. onehandle May 2016 #32
I believe that principles are more important than Party Time for change May 2016 #33
Baltimore now MisterP May 2016 #16
Wow, this is very interesting Time for change May 2016 #17
the entire universe is conspiring against bernie to infinity and beyond nt msongs May 2016 #18
Hello! McFly? MrMickeysMom May 2016 #19
Interesting poll results felix_numinous May 2016 #20
Berniebro here, and while a recount would be interesting ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #21
If there is election fraud related to the electronic machines that count our votes, then Time for change May 2016 #22
If a few committed delegates change hands ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #23
If the election counts are way off because of voting machine manipulation Time for change May 2016 #25
More salty tears from a Bernie supporter. beaglelover May 2016 #24
Why is it only election fraud when Bernie loses? Metric System May 2016 #26
Why does all the election fraud favor Hillery? Time for change May 2016 #28
It's clear that a lot of Americans believe that cheating is OK when it is perceived to bjo59 May 2016 #27
Maybe some people just don't like cheaters Time for change May 2016 #30
I'm from Ohio RazBerryBeret May 2016 #29
That is true Time for change May 2016 #34
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