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merrily

(45,251 posts)
89. Indeed, the hypocrisy is noted, as are half truths. I replied to a post about funding.
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:10 AM
May 2016

Equating funding troops already put in harm's way by a war vote with the war vote itself is bull pucky. That post got the reply I thought it deserved (as will yours).

Second, Hillary's supporters complaining about Sanders' war votes is really rich. Hillary voted for every surge and war as to which which she had an opportunity to vote, as well as advocating for the Iraq War, to helping sell the Iraq War to the American public in general and Democrats in particular. She also supported or was instrumental in everything cited in your post, most of which were voted on at the request of President Clinton with the rest arising her tenure as Secretary. As for Syria (and a number of other current Middle Eastern "dominoes&quot , Sanders argued his heart out against the Iraq War, correctly predicting that it would de-stablize the entire Middle East.

SANDERS: Let me agree with much of what the secretary said, but where we differ is on the war in Iraq, which created barbaric organizations like ISIS. Not only did I vote against that war, I helped lead the opposition. It gives me no pleasure to tell you that much of what I feared would happen the day after Saddam Hussein was overthrown, in fact, did happen. I think our task is to make certain that our young men and women in the military do not get sucked into never-ending, perpetual warfare within the quagmire of Syria and Iraq. It must be Muslim troops on the ground that destroy ISIS, with the support of a coalition of major powers.
Democratic primary debate in New Hampshire , Feb 4, 2016

From an old post of mine:




Address to the Nation on the Invasion of Iraq (January 16, 1991)



George H. W. Bush


Just 2 hours ago, allied air forces began an attack on military targets in Iraq and Kuwait.
These attacks continue as I speak. Ground forces are not engaged.

This conflict started August 2d when the dictator of Iraq invaded a small and helpless neighbor. Kuwait—a member of the Arab League and a member of the United Nations—was crushed; its people, brutalized. Five months ago, Saddam Hussein started this cruel war against Kuwait. Tonight, the battle has been joined.


much more at:

http://www.millercenter.org/president/speeches/speech-3428

transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.


much more at:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html






more at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026211673



Senate vote on 2002 AUMF at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237



House vote on 2002 AUMF at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114



10:16 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.


On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support -- from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense.


more at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-17.html





No one cares. You still lost. HA HA. Gomez163 May 2016 #1
America loses timmymoff May 2016 #2
Because MILLIONS more people voted for the nominee? Feh. nt MADem May 2016 #3
you voted for the conservative wing of the democratic party timmymoff May 2016 #9
the senator from vermont votes year after year to pay for ever more war and killing. nt msongs May 2016 #18
the senator from vermont timmymoff May 2016 #19
Yes, his slogan is "Leave no LOCKHEED MARTIN executive behind!" LOL!! MADem May 2016 #26
Dang that is very damaging timmymoff May 2016 #33
It's almost like they're BOTH politicians!!! Sparkly May 2016 #120
Yea seems only one has big monied interests though timmymoff May 2016 #121
The other side would call unions "big monied interests." Sparkly May 2016 #123
You know I didn't mean unions, but who is this other side you speak of? timmymoff May 2016 #124
Republicans. Sparkly May 2016 #129
Oh so like fracking? and being open to debate on late term abortions? timmymoff May 2016 #131
You got the memo of memes. Sparkly May 2016 #134
would you care for the direct quotes straight from her corporate majesties mouth? timmymoff May 2016 #147
Bernie can't get rid of fracking either creeksneakers2 May 2016 #139
You are correct timmymoff May 2016 #140
Hillary would further regulate fracking creeksneakers2 May 2016 #141
Yes, one of her donors told me this as well timmymoff May 2016 #142
of course lets see them.. show me the one where he doesnt oppose fracking timmymoff May 2016 #143
I didn't say he opposed it creeksneakers2 May 2016 #146
but she is in there pockets timmymoff May 2016 #148
AFTER he votes against the war, unlike Hillary. Your argument is disingenuous bs merrily May 2016 #20
He voted for war in Yugoslavia, Somalia, Syria, Libya, Kosovo puffy socks May 2016 #53
Indeed, the hypocrisy is noted, as are half truths. I replied to a post about funding. merrily May 2016 #89
A Hillary supporter complaining about the MIC and killing machinery? Loudestlib May 2016 #102
And what is the alternative for him? JDPriestly May 2016 #154
Look, I could be a jerk and respond in kind with some kind of snark about what "wing" MADem May 2016 #21
Don't sweat being snarky timmymoff May 2016 #24
You won't last long here if you persist in a tactic of personal insult. MADem May 2016 #27
That would be tragic timmymoff May 2016 #35
Exactly!! LOL!!!! beaglelover May 2016 #10
... Ash_F May 2016 #119
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #132
The process wasn't rigged creeksneakers2 May 2016 #145
I do not think you even believe that. coffeeAM May 2016 #150
I do creeksneakers2 May 2016 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #4
You Bernie Supporters always did have a "flair for the Dramatics". Grow up Timmy. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #45
Bringing me to heel timmymoff May 2016 #46
No, just act like an adult. Disappointment happens. Be a grownup about it. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #50
Oh i'm not threatening dear friend. timmymoff May 2016 #52
And guess what Timmy. No one will even notice. Sure she would like to have your vote. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #54
No she doesn't, nor do we have to kiss hers timmymoff May 2016 #58
The BS cheerleaders can all go crawl back under their rocks ... nobody is going to miss them n/t SFnomad May 2016 #60
Until the begging starts timmymoff May 2016 #62
I couldn't care less about BS cheerleaders ... Sanders supporters on the other hand, I look forward SFnomad May 2016 #66
If ever there has a been a post so wrong about so much it was yours. timmymoff May 2016 #67
You are in fantasy land.. coffeeAM May 2016 #91
Another Unity Post for electoral karma Kittycat May 2016 #158
Trump enabler says what? redstateblues May 2016 #69
I consider Hillary supporters Trump enablers timmymoff May 2016 #76
Right? She would know best. Kittycat May 2016 #159
If no one cares why is the establishment being repudiated state after state? coffeeAM May 2016 #12
*yawn* Gomez163 May 2016 #13
Bernie is losing badly redstateblues May 2016 #70
Are you old enough to be out on your own? LWolf May 2016 #23
Typical hillary fan, classy as usual. nt Logical May 2016 #29
We told you it was over. You didn't listen. Now comes the hard part for you. Gomez163 May 2016 #32
LOL, the hard part is hill still losing states, terrible job of closing the deal, and a year ago.... Logical May 2016 #40
News flash, she's already started the GENERAL ELECTION. Just because Sanders KittyWampus May 2016 #63
That makes Bernie worse. He can't even win his parties nomination redstateblues May 2016 #71
Jeez. How old are you? bjo59 May 2016 #48
HEEEEEE HEEEEEEEE Gomez163 May 2016 #85
It must get boring, sitting around on "first post in the Bernie thread" duty Warren DeMontague May 2016 #107
With that attitude you're going to need a lot of luck in Nov. HooptieWagon May 2016 #127
The fate of the country creeksneakers2 May 2016 #149
This level of intelligence reminds me of why I wrote this post J_J_ May 2016 #162
Being the frontrunner from open to close isn't as embarrassing as you make it out to be. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #5
Bernie lost this thing weeks ago. NanceGreggs May 2016 #6
Every time you post this nonsense Nance, Im gonna post this to remind people litlbilly May 2016 #47
Go right ahead. NanceGreggs May 2016 #77
fact and fiction are two different things. Look it up litlbilly May 2016 #83
You're right. NanceGreggs May 2016 #84
#WhichNanceGreggs Desert805 May 2016 #88
LOL azmom May 2016 #103
She's already won the nomination. She will not care and won't acknowledge the losses if beaglelover May 2016 #7
You really believe this fight for a progressive alternative is over if HRC wins the nomination? JumpinJehosaphat May 2016 #79
beaglelover—Based on numerous posts, it doesn’t sound like Hillary voters believe it. CobaltBlue May 2016 #113
When you have the entire establishment, media and massive wall street doantions behind you coffeeAM May 2016 #8
Excuses. The media has kept Bernie propped up for months redstateblues May 2016 #72
Hahahahaha!!!!! RichVRichV May 2016 #128
which contests are up on tuesday? TheDormouse May 2016 #11
Oregon & Kentucky (nt) Ino May 2016 #15
Kentucky & Oregon lovemydog May 2016 #16
Obama lost most of the final primaries as well. In the mean time Hillary still hasn't lost StevieM May 2016 #14
And Bernie hasn't lost the nomination, so to the convention! Ed Suspicious May 2016 #61
"every poll known to man". ok nt msongs May 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #22
Not nearly as embarrassing as this: OilemFirchen May 2016 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #28
That's it? OilemFirchen May 2016 #34
First candidate in history under FBI investigation and most hated in history among Dems. pdsimdars May 2016 #93
She is not under investigation. apcalc May 2016 #126
Oh yes she is! coffeeAM May 2016 #133
kid gloves media? How about almost none unless to mock - right, Maddow and Hayes? snowy owl May 2016 #42
There's a hyphen there for a reason. OilemFirchen May 2016 #44
You were unable to discern meaning in context? Really. Explains your love of HRC. snowy owl May 2016 #57
Recently it has been shown that that whole Bernie Bro aggressive thing is a lie, it's actually pdsimdars May 2016 #95
Of course it has. OilemFirchen May 2016 #108
and always remember pdsimdars May 2016 #97
Pretty pathetic. Bernie is a one issue flop redstateblues May 2016 #73
No one, and I mean NO ONE gets to the heart of the matter the way you do. Number23 May 2016 #81
Again. The little old balding Jew from Brooklyn via Burlington is still standing despite mikehiggins May 2016 #106
How very fascinating! OilemFirchen May 2016 #109
Succint and devastatingly accurate. nt BootinUp May 2016 #144
Those are both closed primaries KingFlorez May 2016 #30
Would losses in closed primaries not add to the embarrassment? coffeeAM May 2016 #36
Clinton has won all the closed primaries KingFlorez May 2016 #37
Stewart: "without the courage of her convictions — ‘cause I’m not even sure what they are" JonLeibowitz May 2016 #105
except democrats abroad, but ya, its a steep hill and narrow path! Go Bernie! floppyboo May 2016 #125
What do they call a student who finished last in med school? Botany May 2016 #31
No, she hasn't. bvf May 2016 #96
Wins/losses have been too close to call "wins" in most cases. Discuss issues - not horse race. snowy owl May 2016 #38
On what planet were they close? rbrnmw May 2016 #156
Ask President Obama, who lost contests towards the end of 08 primaries. Emphasis on PRESIDENT. Metric System May 2016 #39
When the smoke clears, all Bernie will have is a bird in his hand. oasis May 2016 #41
While you enjoy the money transferring into Wall Street's hands. snowy owl May 2016 #43
*sigh* grossproffit May 2016 #49
Far less embarassing than your sad little tweet ... opps, I mean OP. JoePhilly May 2016 #51
The media will hardly cover it since Trump is not involved... DCBob May 2016 #55
In May & June of 2008 jamese777 May 2016 #56
It kind of depends on how it is covered by the media. Many people I've talked to don't even realize anotherproletariat May 2016 #59
The wake up alarm comes when the FBI makes their announcement whatever it is. pdsimdars May 2016 #98
Besides Kentucky and Oregon LiberalFighter May 2016 #64
Guam doesn't really count, you know that n/t Godhumor May 2016 #68
Really? If Bernie thinks that then he should give up his delegates for Guam. LiberalFighter May 2016 #80
Not nearly as embarrassing as Bernie and his suporters will feel when he finally concedes. Lil Missy May 2016 #65
Hopefully they will give Bernie a participation trophy redstateblues May 2016 #74
since she's going to be the nominee bigtree May 2016 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #78
Love election night Dem2 May 2016 #82
I'm definitely looking forward to Tuesday One Black Sheep May 2016 #86
Wait until she gets thumped...in California laserhaas May 2016 #87
Oh believe me, I cnnot wait for that thumping, but lets enjopy the buildup that started in Indiana! coffeeAM May 2016 #90
But, but, but, she's the hugely popular candidate, the people lover her in CA. pdsimdars May 2016 #99
Same as Nevada contest laserhaas May 2016 #115
Or pdsimdars May 2016 #157
Ha Ha...what will. DWS do..if the queen gets no croen? laserhaas May 2016 #160
Maybe instead of calling her the "presumptive" nominee, it should be "presumptuous" nominee. pdsimdars May 2016 #92
| | <-------- That much nt firebrand80 May 2016 #94
Doesn't matter...if Bernie doesn't get 80% of the vote...he loses... beachbumbob May 2016 #100
Bernie needs 67% of the remaining delegates to end up 1 delegate ahead of Hillary. CentralMass May 2016 #104
I suspect there will be an abundance of dirty trick going on. CentralMass May 2016 #101
Miss Inevitable has to be pissed off. nt Logical May 2016 #110
Won't matter one bit. Sancho May 2016 #111
NOT coffeeAM May 2016 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP May 2016 #112
or the big house for that matter! coffeeAM May 2016 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP May 2016 #138
One has to feel shame to be embarrassed. The woman knows no shame. Hiraeth May 2016 #114
That is a fact! coffeeAM May 2016 #117
It's her turn and she has the Corporate media and the corporate DNC and Wall street Ferd Berfel May 2016 #122
I think the MSM gets that this is just a formality now. I hardly saw anything on network news about eastwestdem May 2016 #130
You just keep counting those chickens LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #135
134 replys and I only see 20 of them. too funny:) litlbilly May 2016 #136
She needs 143 delegates. Proportional dispensation of delegates will take her across the finish. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #137
It might be embarrassing if the presumptive nominee had the capacity for shame... n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #151
So true! coffeeAM May 2016 #152
His name is Barack Obama, President. Another question, how embarassing will it be for Sanders if he Thinkingabout May 2016 #153
That's if they dont rig either of these two like they have done with past primaries. Lindsixo May 2016 #155
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