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2016 Postmortem

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AZ Progressive

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Sun May 15, 2016, 05:01 PM May 2016

Say it Hillary supporters. You don't think Americans deserve economic security... [View all]

You believe in economic stratification, heirarchies, and that some people deserve to live and have good lives whereas other people deserve to suffer just because they "didn't work hard enough to get a good education and rise up the economic ladder, and probably made a bunch of poor economic decisions." You would stick your middle finger to the idea of economic equality if you could.

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Most of them won't admit that, but a few will. BillZBubb May 2016 #1
Being liberal doesn't mean checking reality at the door. CrowCityDem May 2016 #7
Politically untenable because affluent Democrats say they are Armstead May 2016 #21
No, because there aren't enough votes, or the public appetite. CrowCityDem May 2016 #38
There is no proof there is no public appetite.... Armstead May 2016 #41
The proof is pretty straight forward.... Adrahil May 2016 #74
Look at Bernie Sanders's popularity. He hasn't had to lie to the public, at all. He is running on w4rma May 2016 #132
Your assertion has nothing at all to do with the point I made. NT Adrahil May 2016 #143
There aren't enough votes because until Bernie started to run, JDPriestly May 2016 #127
So basically: "Your suffering economically? Tough, there's more important issues out there to deal AZ Progressive May 2016 #22
And how does that jive with "Bernie or bust"? CrowCityDem May 2016 #36
Pssst! The word is "jibe," not "jive." RufusTFirefly May 2016 #78
How old are you ? puffy socks May 2016 #106
Ask yourself what must change to make these things politically tenable. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #67
1. Majority support. 2. Smarter plans than Bernie's hack jobs. CrowCityDem May 2016 #87
you get the world you accept and I dont roguevalley May 2016 #125
That is like being for women's rights and against welfare. jwirr May 2016 #59
There are winners and losers...that is life...not saying that the system can't beachbumbob May 2016 #2
The Bernie Or Bust crowd doesnt actually care. JaneyVee May 2016 #118
No, it's the ignore Hillary's endless scandals crowd that doesn't actually care. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #133
You've guys played this "good cop, bad cop" game for a long time and don't expect consequences? AZ Progressive May 2016 #120
The problem StayFrosty May 2016 #3
You don't understand the problem BillZBubb May 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead May 2016 #27
How would it be any different for Hillary? Sejon May 2016 #29
For almost 8 years now we have watched President Obama jwirr May 2016 #63
No one has yet explained to me why Clinton would be better. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #69
"we want Hillary because she won't get your hopes up" BillZBubb May 2016 #86
Vote Hillary: Hopeless. The exact opposite of Obama's slogan. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #134
A presidency built on low expectations, maybe loyalsister May 2016 #137
no.. no, Sanders said the "collective energy" of voters would change the minds of congress... uponit7771 May 2016 #108
Yep. The Clinton Machine's "Rainbow Oligarchy" marks a total betrayal of Democratic... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #4
"Amoral" is an apt word, in this context brentspeak May 2016 #23
Are you kidding me? gaspee May 2016 #44
Could you point out the "homophobic" part of that post SwampG8r May 2016 #88
I'd say a striking example ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #45
The 3rd Way Conservative Democrats are doing a good enough job undoing... bvar22 May 2016 #72
A good teaching post. Thanks. But notice no one seems to care. Loyalty trumps common sense. snowy owl May 2016 #129
And, yet, there was no cut. Hoyt May 2016 #142
Silver lining: With a Trump Presidency, Democrats have a good shot at winning Congress in 2 years. w4rma May 2016 #135
"Rainbow Oligarchy" -- A perfect encapsulation of what I have been feeling for months JonLeibowitz May 2016 #111
Gladly, Mr, Stewart! NewImproved Deal May 2016 #121
Agreed! LOL. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #123
Its not personal. Neoliberalism has winners and losers. It channels money to the winners. Baobab May 2016 #5
I don't believe... CrowCityDem May 2016 #6
Every person has the right to rise to their God-given potential - Hillary Clinton Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #8
She doesn't mention the part where they pull the ladder up behind them. corkhead May 2016 #19
Never? Adrahil May 2016 #83
Never. It always results in a bunch of people living in alleys and eating out of trashcans Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #89
Using the exception to prove the rule...so disingenuous. But it makes you feel better. snowy owl May 2016 #130
Its not clear to me what you are for and what I should be against. nt BootinUp May 2016 #9
Why should I say it... NCTraveler May 2016 #10
Damn you figured me out! CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #11
Why do you measure someone's worth only in terms of money? Why do you devalue humanity? Corporate666 May 2016 #12
Don't ask me, ask the capitalist system that determines this AZ Progressive May 2016 #20
Non sequitor Corporate666 May 2016 #94
The old corporatist dodge! Excellent. BillZBubb May 2016 #24
You missed the point big time Corporate666 May 2016 #95
That's... not remotely the case. There is disagreement about how best to provide economic security. Zynx May 2016 #13
Right back at you on looking at Hillary as she truly is... BillZBubb May 2016 #30
She opposed all of Bush's supply-side policies. Perhaps you've forgotten that. Zynx May 2016 #32
So did virtually every Democrat. That's not exactly a boon to the poor. BillZBubb May 2016 #33
When she was in office, the Democrats were usually in the minority. It was mainly about opposing Zynx May 2016 #37
"Once they took the majority she supported..." ablamj May 2016 #138
. corkhead May 2016 #14
That photo is a classic nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #17
It's representative of right-way thinking. This Party has been overrun by conservatives. Broward May 2016 #15
Bernie's magic wand will fix all! JaneyVee May 2016 #16
I think all Americans deserve economic security CreekDog May 2016 #25
But you'll vote for Hillary because we just can't do those things now! BillZBubb May 2016 #31
I'll vote for Hillary because she's the better candidate CreekDog May 2016 #39
Yep, because she'll make sure that the top 20% won't sink below to the level of "the common people" AZ Progressive May 2016 #54
Apparently you don't understand the word "everyone" CreekDog May 2016 #122
I'll vote for Hillary because... Adrahil May 2016 #66
Your cause maybe, not mine. BillZBubb May 2016 #77
That's your "opinion" NT Adrahil May 2016 #84
Clinton will give it, not Sanders. The point is, Clinton has better policies than Sanders. seabeyond May 2016 #26
Nobody even knows what her policies are she "evolves" that often Sejon May 2016 #34
How are free trade and for profit health insurance better? MrsKirkley May 2016 #40
So that's what they're repackaging socialism to be these days.....LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive May 2016 #35
are you crazy? gaspee May 2016 #42
Not me of course, Hillary supporters AZ Progressive May 2016 #47
Get help gaspee May 2016 #50
"I'll offer anybody here fifty dollars an hour if you'll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season" AZ Progressive May 2016 #53
Apparently he's psychic. JoePhilly May 2016 #56
Well, I did read a really insightful article... AZ Progressive May 2016 #64
And what research is that based on? JoePhilly May 2016 #70
And I guess your going to try to convince me that corporatism and the power grab by the 1% is all... AZ Progressive May 2016 #76
I'm not the one writing silly OPs trying to convience anyone of anything. JoePhilly May 2016 #80
Unfortunately for you, this thread is further exposing the aloofness and callousness AZ Progressive May 2016 #82
Have we met? kstewart33 May 2016 #43
Is that the best you can do? AZ Progressive May 2016 #49
Now come on, AZ. kstewart33 May 2016 #52
Fucking stupid is fucking stupid. Starry Messenger May 2016 #46
Those satisfied with the status quo and doing well themselves don't give a * polly7 May 2016 #48
Sociopathy is becoming an American value... AZ Progressive May 2016 #58
More bullshit. Based on a false premise. Lil Missy May 2016 #51
We're waiting for an olive branch from Camp Clinton Sejon May 2016 #62
an olive branch to who? to St Bernie supporters who Lil Missy May 2016 #115
Looks like someone here cares more about celebrity worship than the future of the country AZ Progressive May 2016 #119
That's ridiculous. no olive branch for you Lil Missy May 2016 #136
My.. my ... how the self-righteous pontificate. JoePhilly May 2016 #55
How the willfully ignorant whine! BillZBubb May 2016 #79
No need to admit it, just read their posts. coffeeAM May 2016 #57
JaneyVee says there will ALWAYS be a permanent underclass... cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #60
These people should go back to the Republican Party... AZ Progressive May 2016 #61
They aren't even socially liberal Hydra May 2016 #73
It's so SIMPLE in Hillaryland! BillZBubb May 2016 #81
That's what Republicans and right wingers always say ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #139
... MrWendel May 2016 #65
As other posters have pointed out Hydra May 2016 #68
Just to be clear, economic security is NOT the same as equality equality. Adrahil May 2016 #71
We are talking about economic equality in the sense of the rich not being too rich and the poor... AZ Progressive May 2016 #75
inflation enid602 May 2016 #85
Wow another right wing meme! You righties are always warning BillZBubb May 2016 #91
A classic case of ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #90
You support the Third Way candidate. You are a conservative. BillZBubb May 2016 #92
Do you honestly believe ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #96
I know you are a conservative, you don't. You need to deal with it. BillZBubb May 2016 #97
Again, all I can say is ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #98
Third Way is conservative. Hillary is Third Way. You support Hillary. BillZBubb May 2016 #101
Seriously, you're KILLIN' me!!! NanceGreggs May 2016 #104
The pain of hiding your true nature of conservativism is what's killing you. BillZBubb May 2016 #105
... NanceGreggs May 2016 #124
Who made you the arbiter of OTHER people's views Sparkly May 2016 #100
Basic logic. Hillary is Third Way. Third Way is conservative. BillZBubb May 2016 #102
"It's a fact." Sparkly May 2016 #109
of course Lil Missy May 2016 #117
Bernie supporter here. I don't think minorities and women who support Hillary believe pampango May 2016 #93
Unreal. Sparkly May 2016 #99
Very real. Deal with it. BillZBubb May 2016 #103
I will. Sparkly May 2016 #110
Got a link for that? wildeyed May 2016 #107
So. you think all Hillary supporters are economically better off and don't care about others? nini May 2016 #112
Pot calling the kettle black, look at you guys with the Berniebro thing. AZ Progressive May 2016 #113
If you actually believe this line of reasoning, you should seriously look into the fact that you may anotherproletariat May 2016 #114
I don't have to be brainwashed, I just have a history of experiences to reinforce my ideas AZ Progressive May 2016 #116
As if Bernie Sanders could fix anything. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #126
You're insane or a Young Republican trolling n/t kevinmc May 2016 #128
kr Norrin Radd May 2016 #131
K&R -- Thanks. Needed to be said. senz May 2016 #140
I say to people here in the top 20%: AZ Progressive May 2016 #141
The 1% are entitled to all the money, don't cha know Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #144
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